One challenge re: education which relates to global warming is that many people who do not believe in evolution do not believe in fossil fuels: God put coal there for our use about 5,000 years ago. This feeds into the dominion view of creation ("Man" was given "dominion" over the Earth, at least in SOME translations). That is, creation is here for us to use as we will. Many other people of faith who accept creation do however have a stewardship ethic are more amenable to education re climate change; many of them are leaders in opposing mountaintop removal, promoting renewables, etc. But people who favor creationism or its variant intelligent design are a vary large percentage of Americans and for many of them (like two of my brothers) their beliefs color their attitudes towards global warming.

Margaret

PS It was not fun going through the Museum of the Earth with that branch of the family; they were politely interested until they couldn't stand it anymore, at which point I got the version their church had given them.

On Aug 7, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Bethany Schroeder wrote:

Andy,

I agree with you on statements one and two below, namely the usual subsidy of clunckers and solar panels. But whether we're talking about the development of products or education, the problem will necessarily involve scalability.

Education not only needs the inputs of qualified teachers and a sensible curriculum, rare even with familiar topics, not to mention new topics such as how to live with less, it needs the wise attention of every kind of supporter, from parents and students to legislators and wonks. There's also the issue of whether we can even begin to standardize the curriculum, without which we may create disequilibrium and the chaos of prejudiced approaches. Consider how long it took to standardize medical and engineering education, just to point to two examples. And then overcoming the psychological and philosophical barriers related to why we've embarked on such a project would be no mean feat. None of this is as simple as it looks at first blush, the same problem no doubt that pertains to throwing money at scaling up the production of stuff that, naturally, boils your blood.

I agree we have to learn to live with less, lots less. I also recognize the impediments and the pain people experience when they finally reckon with the idea that they may not be able to have all the resources they imagined to have been within their purview. Having lived through most of it, I'm also aware of the history you have alluded to below. The campaign to educate people about various ecological issues has been focused on policy makers and the reading public. It has been long and intense and, I would argue, largely unsuccessful.

I stand by my original concern, which you never did respond to: apathy, denial, and incredulity regarding the issues we explore on this listserv abound in the larger community. Hell, we can't even agree among ourselves about how do much of anything. I don't mean to suggest we shouldn't try or that we shouldn't keep talking, but I don't believe the educational approach is necessarily any better than another. I have a certain sense of urgency about the matter, as you well know.

Bethany




Andy Goodell wrote:
Bethany,

Give people higher mileage cars, and they won't feel so bad about driving farther.

Give them solar panels (at no perceived cost to them), and what's to say they won't just use more energy?

It's a feel good tactic that doesn't solve the problem that we simply use too much energy. I don't know the history on this, but I don't think the gov in the past 30 years has ever handed out significant funding for education like this. I assume that $515M to a state for energy education could go a very long way.


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