Robin

--- In [email protected], Robin Berjon 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> andrewgirow wrote:
> > If you mean that they overlap better that Don Demsak said?
> 
> No, integrate. You just seem to have your own meaning of integrate 
that 
> doesn't cover other valid uses.
> 
> > 2. Instead of integrating SVG amd SMIL animations such a way that 
SVG 
> > would deal with graphics and SMIL would deal with animations and 
> > time, the SVG INCORPORATED INSIDE (COPY AND PASTE AND CHANGE)
Timing 
> > and Animation modules FROM SMIL.
> 
> SMIL defines the way(s) in which host languages may use its 
features. 
> SVG complies to that. Not everything has been integrated yet, but 
it's 
> being done. I'm not sure you could've picked an example of a spec 
more 
> designed for reuse and integration that SMIL was -- you're proving 
my 
> very point here :)

Look, I am not a researcher, but programmer. In my world 
(programming) when you say *integrate* means that you use some API 
and *link* your code (SVG) to another code (SMIL). When you do *
*copy � paste* of some of the code, that happened in SVG 1.2 I
named 
it as *copy - paste*. Again, you might be right, its understanding of 
code and efforts reuse from the programmer point of view. Nothing 
more. 

Second, again from the programmer point of view when I have two 
modules: A and B and I read short descriptions like that:

Module A:  http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/About
"SVG is a platform for two-dimensional graphics. It has two parts: an 
XML-based file format and a programming API for graphical 
applications."

Module B: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/
"The Synchronized Multimedia Integration Language (SMIL, 
pronounced "smile") enables simple authoring of interactive 
audiovisual presentations. SMIL is typically used for "rich 
media"/multimedia presentations which integrate streaming audio and 
video with images, text or any other media type."

I never expect to find many parts of B module replicated in A. In the 
programmers world its called bad design of modules or they designed 
without looking at each other or without thinking how to use them 
together. Or they are not intended to use together from the begining. 

If you say that CDF will change this, it means that not only one 
person thinks that there is something wrong here.

Best,
Andrew Girow
http://www.tinyline.com




> 
> > 3. More the better... Later thinking that what was done it is not 
> > enought SVG INCORPORATED INSIDE video, audio and media elements 
from 
> > SMIL. (COPY AND PASTE AND CHANGE)
> 
> Same as above. SMIL is designed to be integrated, SVG integrates 
more 
> and more of it as people feel increasingly confident that they can 
> implement the two together.
> 
> > 5. You name it. I dont know what W3C will add during the next 2 
> > weeks ;). May be its time to change the SVG to some more relevant 
> > name? May be XAML? 
> 
> SVG was probably not an excellent name choice, it wasn't done with 
> marketing thoughts to support it. As you will soon see in the 
output of 
> the CDF WG (called WICD so far), these specs were designed for 
> integration, and languages that know how to be hosted directly in a 
> foreign namespace (eg SMIL, XForms) is one of the approaches used 
for 
> that. I'm not saying there are zero issues -- otherwise there'd be 
zero 
> work going on -- but there's much more that works than doesn't work.
> 
> -- 
> Robin Berjon
>    Research Scientist
>    Expway, http://expway.com/




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