--- In [email protected], "Rick Bullotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andreas, while I share your frustration, I've come to the conclusion that "group think" tends to take something that is "elegant in its simplicity" (the core of SVG) and make it "unimplementable in its complexity". I've been involved in standards work (in manufacturing, not web standards) and have seen this happen repeatedly. agreed - but thats where versions and profiles are stepping in. I would also be happy if browser vendors would completely implement SVG 1.0 or even SVG basic. But we are getting there. Mozilla, Opera and Konqueror will deliver this. We don't know if they will/can provide SVG 1.2, but SVG 1.0 would already be a great step. I don't care much about Iex. I only use Iex if I am forced to, and Firefox is usually smaller to download than any windows patch in the past, so, Iex is perhaps not too important for SVG if they decide to ignore SVG forever. Besides, there is still Adobes plugin for Iex. > It is also very valid criticism to point out overlap between standards efforts, not for territorial fighting, but hopefully to increase the efficiency and focus of both efforts and accelerate their development (which, generally, increases their uptake/acceptance). agreed - but W3C has to listen to many requirements and feature A, which is a must have for group A, is probably useless for group B. If a common standard needs to support several target groups and a general audience, it is only natural that there is overhead in the standard. After all - who uses all of the features present in MM Flash or MS word? Still these "overhead" features are present in these products. > Can you understand why many have become a bit cynical? It is borne of frustration and "opportunity lost" more than criticism... yes - I can understand it, and I am also frustrated sometimes. It is only that recently, the rants became too numerous and regular questions seem to go under. What should a person that recently joined this list think about the SVG community? Hey - these people always complain and fight each other. I, for my part, if I only recently joined the group, would quickly unsubscribe ... I think the best place to make constructive criticism is the w3c-svg mailinglist, which all of the w3c people read, as opposed to this list where the main goal is to help other people or to share news. Andreas
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