Hi Doug It's always enough if you're modest;) Your *enough* was a decent one, thanks. Your advice about the purpose of this group is recognized. It seems like some people are looking for some clues about the realistic potential of the technology as well. At least if you want to do more than playing around with svg that might become quite important. Unfortunately this is the only relevant list if you're looking for some hints! Precocious platitudes and arrogant suggestions won't help much in that situation. It should look like that vectoreal is one of that major svg related entities? How about sharing some decent first-hand insights about svg's adoption progress? From my personal experience it was much easier to sell svg- related projects tree years ago than it is today. To my experience these days it's almost impossible to convince a customer telling him svg would be a safe bet. All the existing svg projects I've been involved are 100% asv3 dependent:-0 Did you realize that asv is partially broken in ie7b?? And none of our projects will do any good with firefox: impracticable slow and outrageous resource hungry, and in addition just not available at the customers desktop:(( Any thoughts? For those of you having enough, just skip this lengthy post and continue! Mean enough posts will get ignored anyways:) Ok, answered rantisch and sarcastic to Holger. Maybe it's because it's been a long time ago I'd to deal with a guy who actually thinks it's a good idea to have 'best viewed with browser x' statements again. Embarrassing that he won't get what's wrong with this kind of perception. Besides, I guess most of the divergence results in the fact that everyone likes to talk about his own svg. Some expect no more than a nifty defined xml namespace that renders usable vector graphics in a webbrowser. Others would like to see all kind of things besides and beyond of this. It looks like doing all the stuff at the same time didn't work out very well. In my opinion the webbrowser part of the roadmap is essentially lost unless adobe reanimates the thing. The firefox native implementation would need vast amounts of (re)work in order to become usable in terms of performance and machine resources demands, right? Nobody expects this overnight. Alternative plugins will face a troublesome long road; we know that things have changed concerning plugins today. $200K is worth nothing. But of course adobe isn't in charge to reanimate svg for the web. To me its somehow obvious that their engagement concerning vector webgraphics was just enough to hinder alternatives. They did have valid reasons since the vml w3c submission did have a reference implementation ready. And they didn't own flash as well. Nevertheless, one may notice that adobe would have the chance to tune into svg for the web any day? Given the complete market penetration or their maintained pdf reader products, adobe has the genuine power to distribute their svg viewer under the counter and all over the place. Btw, could someone kindly explain to me why the adobe reader still carries an updated asv6 within its binaries? I might be ignorant, but using svg in order to render a few floating controls in a fat reader client application looked like a fig leaf right from the start? Especially if you consider that pdf is far more powerful than svg. Beyond these mentioned oddities there's probably no reason to complain about adobe. Concerning svg it belongs to the standards committee to embrace a non trivial xml format for webgraphics without the solid commitment of the browser vendors. Who was asking for a boxed implementation anyways? The one and only specification should be adequate but doable for a browser vendor, right? That doesn't exactly sound like svg.
Looking at svg beyond the web the affair is fairly easy. The file format does exist and there're there are plenty of different possibilities to emerge and to miss. Commonplace, the magic threshold value doesn't apply at the front. Talking about the next generation of vector aware os' and svg and back to the web: truism, it's a no-brainer for many reasons. Well, *enough*, let's go for dinner. Regards Paul --- In [email protected], "Doug Schepers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Francis- > > It seems like what you are looking for is some kind of rotation animation? > From what I can tell, this should fit your requirements: > > <svg xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2000/svg' > xmlns:xlink='http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink'> > > <path id='progress' d='M250,285 A100,100 0 1 1 251,285 z' fill='none' > stroke='cornflowerblue' stroke-width='2'/> > > <text font-size='22px' fill='crimson' text-anchor='middle'>SVG > <animateMotion dur='12s' repeatCount='indefinite' rotate='auto' > > <mpath xlink:href='#progress'/> > </animateMotion> > </text> > > </svg> > > The text will go around in a circle indefinitely. Several people also > recently posted train animations as well, if that's what you're looking for. > > Since this is a list dedicated to answering questions about development > questions in SVG, when you ae asking questions here, it would be best to be > clear and concise about specific features. > > I see that you also have questions about SVG viewers. Holger and many others > have answered these questions before, many times. I think I've seen your > post on this list before, so you must have seen such elaborate replies. In > short, there are a number of different viewers, for all platforms. More > development is going on as we speak. > > Finally, you seem to have some vague desire to control SVG's evolution and > adoption. This really isn't an issue that can be resolved here. One way for > you to effect the change you're looking for is to develop and distribute > your own SVG viewer; I estimate that it could be done for less than $200K. > Another way is to join the W3C and help in the development of the SVG Spec; > this will cost somewhere between $5-30K, I think. It you feel that this > control complex is interfering in your daily life, I suggest you try another > yahoo list that may be better able to help you: > http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=obsessive > > Oh, and while we're talking about behavior, can I ask you to drop the > unsavory word choices? I curse like a sailor in private ("Argh! Avast ye, > scurvy dog!" etc. ), but it's rude to do so when you don't know your > audience. > > Regards- > Doug > > doug . schepers @ vectoreal.com > www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. > > > Francis Hemsher wrote: > | > | Maybe you mean, ENOUGH ??? > | > | Yes, I must admit SVG is making me a bit nuts...It's like the > | model train set I would put out at Christmas for my childen. > | It would go round, and round, and round: always on the same > | track. Fortunately it could be put away for a year. > | > | SVG has been going around the same track for about 3 years > | with no destination in site. > | > | Francis > | > | > | "Bob Hunter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > ENOUGH !!! > | > > | ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> <font face=arial size=-1><a href="http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h2hp9na/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123032240/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 ">Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!</a>.</font> --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
