Alistair, from the cradle we are ego-centric. Would you rather we just suck our pablum, not providing what we have to offer? What a one- dimensional world that would be, comfy to some, but lacking in the creativity and energy that can each offer being our birthright in this cantankerous world.
Francis(ho-hum, just a dummy from somewhere oustide of your private rainbow) Shit, I guess I'll go back into my cave unless someone out there let's me know that I'm not alone. --- In [email protected], "Alastair Fettes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How fitting the subject line is... > > ... > > --- In [email protected], "Francis Hemsher" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Doug, > > I have tried to be sensitive in my own, I guess, mostly inadequate > > way. But me thinks it's time to take take off the kid gloves and get > > to some bare knuckle communication: > > > > The airy-faerie procrastinators of the SVG future probably have not > > coded diddly. Sure, you show your cutsy examples, about 20 lines of > > code, where we're supposed to be wowed by, in such a grand > > proclamation, but it has as much substance as cotton candy. > > > > Try some sweat, blood and tears trying to get your shit to work in a > > cemmercial environment. Maybe then you'll get off your high horse of > > superiority. > > > > IE and ASV3 have provided those, willing to put their fanny on the > > line, a means to use SVG in a rational/commercial way at this time. > > What a bunch of stupid shits? Right? Well, you'd better kiss our ass > > or you'll lose us. I guess we'll checked off an merely IE lovers, > > not aware of how grand SVG will be in the vaporous future. When, in > > fact, we are the best you have to offer. > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Doug Schepers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Hi, Francis- > > > > > > | Thanks for the .js file. I will definitely use it if I take > > > | to FireFox. My issue isn't that code can't be globally changed, > > > > > > So, you've been given both the technical reasons and the easy > > solutions. Jim > > > and I have provided you with simple workarounds for what you > > perceive as a > > > "problem". > > > > > > In fact, none of this is new; I told you about the issue on your > > own > > > svg-and-the-dom list *2 years* ago [1]. You were warned long > > before you > > > created the content that you are now claiming FF breaks. > > > > > > So, obviously, this is not about technical issues, which is what > > this list > > > is here to help authors and developers resolve. > > > > > > > > > | my issue is the mentality of MOZ. If they can't work > > > | with the needs of developers, and have, what I call, a > > > | "validator" mentality, then I want nothing to with them. > > > > > > You know, if Adobe releases a new viewer, you're going to have to > > deal with > > > this then. Since it will almost certainly use sXBL, it will have > > to be just > > > as strict as MozSVG is now. > > > > > > > > > | Creative developers have enough on their plate to deal with. > > > > > > Like what??? We *gave you the solution*!!! You don't have to deal > > with > > > anything. It's done. > > > > > > > > > | When the environment they choose is more focused on > > > | strictness, and no,no's that can be handled easily by > > > | intelligent programming on their part, taking the mundane > > > | burden off the developer, > > > > > > As I demonstrated at length last night when I posed the > > AnthologyML use > > > case, doing things the Right Way *is* taking the mundane burden > > off the > > > programmer. It ensures that properly written code will work > > anywhere, and it > > > provides methods to handle common use cases that would be hard or > > impossible > > > otherwise, at the mere cost of 5 keystrokes. Pretty dang useful, > > IMO, and a > > > good technical design and implementation. > > > > > > By the way, you still haven't fulfilled the challenge you asked > > for. But no > > > need to, I deliberately presented you with a situation that > > explicates why > > > we need namespaces. > > > > > > > > > | then it tells me it is out of touch with reality, > > > > > > No..... > > > > > > | at least my reality:). > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > In any case, it's clear that this is just an ego game with you, > > not a > > > serious technical issue. Come on, get real! Stop complaining about > > silly > > > crap, and get on board with helping create that future that you > > have so > > > eloquently spoken of in the past. You're a creative guy, and I > > know you like > > > to argue, but why not argue about real issues? > > > > > > How can you influence that future? By teaching newbies the correct > > way of > > > doing things (rather than confusing them with extraneous > > nonsense), and by > > > coding to standards, so that people can learn from you by example. > > That way, > > > when users find your content in FF, it will work, and help show > > them how > > > cool SVG is... otherwise, it will break, and people will dismiss > > SVG as > > > buggy. > > > > > > Okay, I'm done arguing. If you're for real, you will take the > > message we've > > > all been telling you to heart. If you are just here to mess with > > the > > > community spirit, I won't play your game anymore. I will limit my > > comments > > > to correcting the mistakes you tell newbies. > > > > > > > > > [1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-and-the-dom/message/3 > > > > > > Regards- > > > Doug > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > www.vectoreal.com ...for scalable solutions. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Fair play? 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