You are right Marc,
Flash player 1.1.0.0 was installed on this Nokia N70 phone. Unfortunately, without this software, the message is now unknown file format If anybody is able to use SVG T documents on this device, not a prototype version of it, I would love to know how it is done. I dont want to do Flash Lite only (even if Mobile Designer is able to deliver both SVG and Flash ;) Does it make sense to build a matrix, may be on the svg.org website, to know which level of compliance is available on a given device? For example, the Sony Ericsson K600i sold by Orange in France is both Flash L and SVG T compliant. This one works fine locally, over MMS but has some issues over the UMTS network while browsing Unless such a matrix it is too complex to build. Regards. ______________ Laurent Tonnelier -----Message d'origine----- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Marc Verstaen Envoyé : vendredi 16 décembre 2005 17:55 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : RE: [SVG-Mobile] Re: [svg-developers] Any info on Nokia N70 ? Indeed. You are perfectly correct and I would even add to the complexity: there are four levels of devices with SVG inside: - Devices equipped with an SVG viewer reserved for the personal use of the device manufacturer. SVG is present, is used for icons and other stuff but is not accessible for the user. - Devices with an SVG viewer, but no integration between the viewer and the browser. This is the most frequent configuration, to my experience - Devices with an SVG viewer with an HTTP stack - Devices with a browser SVG enabled. At some point in the future, we will get only level II and IV devices, I suspect. But for now, it is a problem. Marc _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronan Oger Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SVG-Mobile] Re: [svg-developers] Any info on Nokia N70 ? This is kind of a problem, imho. <rant> I just picked up a Nokia 9300 communicator believing the PR which said that it supports SVG, and was surprised/dismayed to see that whereas it may be able to show svg somehow on the box, it is certainly not configured to show web-based svg documents. There may be some obscure trick to get this to work, but I gave up after an hour of searching and hunting. Most likely, I need to download a browser. And here lies the problem again. Just try to find an SVG browser online for Nokia (model X). For mine, no luck here. Luckily I can build my own browser or download a java viewer, but as far as consumer experiences go, this looked to be a total flop to me so far. The installation ease I expected was simply not there. There seems to be some confusion about the difference between phones with (a) native applications that use SVG files to render their own content and (b) phones that provide SVG browsing capabilities. In our rush to highlight *potential compatibility*, we tend to overlook *actual support*. In my opinion, calling a phone which meets condition (a) above an SVG-enabled phone is misleading at best. In fact, the nature of an application's rendering mechanism is totally irrelevant and does not qualify the device as an SVG-enabled device. I would be quite interested in knowing how many mobiles come out of the box with the ability to browse svg content online. My sunrise phone certainly did not. It is a symbian 80 device and is compatible with svg browser apps. But to say the phone is an svg-enabled phone is totally misleading. It is like saying a phone is quake-enabled (if you buy the quake software and install it onto your phone, which is generally out of reach of most users). When a phone says it is java enabled, it means it runs java applications. When we say a phone is svg enabled, it should be able to render svg content or svg files out of the box. </rant> Cheers, Ronan On Thursday 15 December 2005 16:56, Antoine Quint wrote: > Hi, > > On 15 déc. 2005, at 17:53, Laurent T. wrote: > > The <http://www.svg.org/> www.svg.org website shows the Nokia N70 > > as < SVG > > Tiny 1.1 > compliant device. > > > > I've bought this device from Orange in France. but it doesn't seems > > to have > > any support > > My friend has an N70 from Orange and SVG works fine within the > browser. 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