--- In [email protected], Ronan Oger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Francis,
> 
> Before going too far out on a limb and running off your mouth 
about what the 
> W3C should or should not do, you might want to read up on what the 
W3C is.
> 
> The W3C is not a public organization set up for the general good 
of society. 
> Far from it.  It is a membership-based club for promoting 
technologies that 
> benefit the club participants. Within the W3C, competing groups 
fight to get 
> their ideas in and to keep competing ideas out.

<FH> It seems there is a fox in hen house. Does it take a rocket 
scientist to see the MS has taken XML, fiddled with it to make it 
better (XAML THE CAMEL), and of course, has no incentive to then 
further support XML at W3C.  Should we applaud their finesse?

> Instead of ranting into the wind about open-source development and 
complaining 
> about the free work others should do to help you earn money (ASV 
is free, and 
> you seem to be benefiting commercially from this, no?), maybe you 
should 
> consider one or more of the following options:
> 
> 1) stop complaining, and work with the free tools provided to you 
find them, 
> taking responsibility for your own strategic errors in 
technological 
> dependency choices

<FH>My so-called strategic errors, are still open to the fickle 
furture...they may, of course be errors, but then again, they may be 
considered prohpetic:)
 
> 2) join the W3C and try to change the future of SVG to your 
advantage
> 
> 3) pay someone to build you an SVG browser that *you* can offer 
free to the 
> public domain. I'm sure you can get this done for 1/2 million Euro 
or less.

<FH>Come on, Ronan, no matter how great an SVG browser may be, 
unless it is provided in the MS operating system, it'll remain a "10 
percenter"


> 4) move on to another technology. Maybe start using Java applets, 
Flash, pdf, 
> or bitmap animations to show your data. Hey, you could even simply 
send it by 
> fax and forego both the W3C *and* ICANN.

<FH>funny...But I like SVG as much as you do.

Merry Christmas,
Francis

> Cheers,
> 
> Ronan
> 
> On Saturday 17 December 2005 04:35, Francis Hemsher wrote:
> > Hi Sherm,
> >  I guess you sent this as a statement from Adobe as a positive
> >  indication of their continuing support of SVG.
> >
> >  The following quote from below "to meet the needs of customers 
and
> >  partners" tells me as, an open-source developer, to expect 
diddly
> >  from Adobe in the true future of SVG.
> >
> >  In my opinion, they have every incentive to undermine SVG's 
success.
> >  Along with XAML the Camel, they used W3C to first establish the
> >  basis for their products, and then abandonded support of both 
XML
> >  and SVG to reduce open-source competition for their products.
> >
> >  I think W3C should sue their butts for using and manipulating 
their
> >  technology, and providing no compensation.
> >
> >  Francis
> >
> >  --- In [email protected], "Sherm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >  > From the Adobe website
> >
> >  
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia_faq.h
> >  tm
> >
> >  > l
> >  >
> >  > How does Adobe's acquisition of Macromedia affect Adobe's 
support
> >
> >  of
> >
> >  > SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics)?
> >  >
> >  > Both Adobe and Macromedia have been part of the W3C working 
group
> >
> >  that
> >
> >  > defined the SVG-t specification. While Flash and Flash Lite 
have
> >  > gained critical momentum with customers and partners 
worldwide,
> >  > particularly in the fast-growing mobile market, we recognize 
that
> >
> >  both
> >
> >  > SVG and Flash have had success globally. As a result, Adobe 
will
> >  > continue to support the display of popular graphics standards,
> >  > including SVG-t and Flash, to meet the needs of customers and
> >
> >  partners
> >
> >  > worldwide.
> >
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