> natively support SVG.  The Fortune 500 company I work for insists 
> that IE 6 is our approved web browser.  

yes, this is sad. I agree that SVG support in IE is important.

But if you have choice or can guide them to a different product, I am 
convinced that most of the alternative browsers are much better than 
IE, both from a security, usability and capabilities point of view

But I guess I don't have to convince you, but the companies out there
 ...

> I was able to put together some very nice SVG based dashboards that 
> were very well recieved but that required the installation of 
Adobe's 
> (another W3C member) SVG viewer (ASV).  Now I hear that there are 
> some major issues if one upgrades to IE 7.  Combine that with 
Adobe's 
> decision to drop support for their ASV product and things do not 
look 
> good for SVG.

Well its not that bad. Opera is really active in SVG, Firefox 3 will 
have major improvements and Safari/Webkit is soon also shipping SVG 
support.

Given that all the alternative browsers are gaining ground, its not 
that bad.

I agree that all the implementations need to improve, esp. in 
performance, when compared, f.e. to the performance that Flash 
offers. This is critical not for all graphics/applications, but for 
some (with larger amounts of data, e.g. mapping, technical drawings, 
etc.)

> What can we as SVG advocates do to turn this situation around or is 
> it time to learn a non standard like XAML?  Is it time to throw in 
> the towel and pay Adobe for their Flash product?  How is that W3C 
> members such as M$ and Adobe can ignore the very recommendation of 
> the boards they are part of?

Luckily most browsers makers (including Microsoft) offer now the 
community to provide feedback. It is important to speak up in these 
communities (forums, mailinglists, wikis) and tell people that SVG is 
important and useful. Also, if they are implementing, it is important 
to provide bug reports. The use of SVG is so diverse, that the 
browser makers can't test all use cases. Only if you report bugs, 
there is a chance that bugs and performance problems get fixed.

Also, creating compelling SVG content would help to put pressure on 
browser makers to put more resources behind SVG.

Andreas




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