On 7/5/18 4:17 PM, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
> 06.07.2018 1:21, John Baldwin wrote:
> 
>> Yes, this is a change though I find it the logical outcome of the original 
>> change
>> to move away from MODULES_WITH_WORLD.  And to be clear, Matt certainly only
>> intended to use MODULE_TIED in a few places, but I think tagging all those
>> places will be cumbersome and tedious compared to just doing it in this way. 
>>  I
>> think this will also tie into something I proposed earlier in a commit reply 
>> and
>> that I also brought up at BSDCan which is that I think that kernel modules in
>> ports should install their sources and build glue to some location we choose
>> (e.g. /usr/local/sys/modules/<foo>) and that we should support a variable 
>> folks
>> can set in their kernel config file similar to MODULES_OVERRIDE that is a 
>> list
>> of local modules to recompile and install into /boot/kernel along with other
>> modules (and that these recompiled modules would be TIED).  The binary module
>> from the package would still be present in /boot/modules, but the tied module
>> in /boot/kernel would be preferred and used instead when it exists (our 
>> existing
>> module_path already does this last part).  This would replace the existing
>> PORTS_MODULES but in a way that is more graceful and works with packages, not
>> just ports IMO.
> 
> I'm not sure I understand the topic quite right, but please do not drop
> MODULES_WITH_WORLD support at it allows us to quickly rebuild the kernel
> in case of slight changes of its config file not changing ABI and/or
> similar source changes without HUGE modules compilation overhead.

This would not drop it, but it would mean that you can't necessarily kldload
/boot/kernel.GENERIC/foo.ko while running some other kernel.

> Also, we should not use /usr/local/sys/modules/<foo> as /usr/local
> can be inaccessible for the loader. Better use /boot/modules/local or 
> /boot/local
> as /boot is guaranteed to be accessible.

You misunderstand.  /usr/local/sys/modules would hold module sources so that
they can be recompiled when building a kernel without having to rebuild the
package or reinstall the package.  Binary modules would continue to be
installed in /boot/modules.

-- 
John Baldwin
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