> On Nov 30, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Warner Losh <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 11:58 AM Enji Cooper <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2019, at 10:03 AM, Warner Losh <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 10:47 AM Enji Cooper <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>> > On Nov 27, 2019, at 6:32 PM, Scott Long <[email protected] 
>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Author: scottl
>> > Date: Thu Nov 28 02:32:17 2019
>> > New Revision: 355164
>> > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/355164 
>> > <https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/355164>
>> > 
>> > Log:
>> >  Remove the trm(4) driver
>> > 
>> >  Differential Revision:       https://reviews.freebsd.org/D22575 
>> > <https://reviews.freebsd.org/D22575>
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>>         I believe this driver was removed because it was impacts the CAM 
>> GIANT lock removal effort — is that true (I’m asking because the “why” 
>> behind the removal is unclear)?
>> 
>> Hi Enji,
>> 
>> We're trying hard to get rid of all Giant-locked drivers in the tree, either 
>> by updating or removal. Since sym(4) provides a super-set of trm(4) and we 
>> have recent-ish reports of sym(4) working, it makes sense to trim this 
>> driver from the tree. The specific cards it supports aren't all that 
>> popular, the couple-extra features that trm(4) gave over sym(4) aren't 
>> really that relevant today, and it's been years since trm has had good 
>> testing and maintenance.
> 
> Warner,
>       Thanks so very much for the info :). Glad to see this effort taking 
> place, since it’s very needed to modernize FreeBSD and improve concurrency in 
> the kernel, as well as reduce the overall maintenance burden.
> 
> Giant isn't contending, but it's getting in the way of a cleanup of the 
> console / kbd system, as well as there being newbus issues in highly dynamic 
> systems. With TB and USB4 support on the horizon, we need to finally clean 
> that mess up.. I'll post a longer summary of what's left. I have a 'doodle' 
> tree that I'm separating out the Giant usage to 'driver lock', 
> kbd/console/ddb, newbus, sysctl, and WTF is that protecting... I'm tempted to 
> create wtf_lock() and wtf_unlock(), but I'm not sure how well that would go 
> over :)

Sounds great :D…
-Enji

PS wtf_lock() would be amusing, but probably less of a good idea these days 
:D...
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