On 5 Mar 2015, at 13:47, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Mar 5, 2015, at 10:21, Hans Ottevanger <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 03/05/15 13:21, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 02:48:29PM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:01:45PM +0000, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>>> B> Author: bapt >>>> B> Date: Wed Mar 4 22:01:44 2015 >>>> B> New Revision: 279603 >>>> B> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/279603 >>>> B> >>>> B> Log: >>>> B> r* commands are not precious anymore >>>> B> >>>> B> Modified: >>>> B> head/bin/rcp/Makefile >>>> B> head/usr.bin/rlogin/Makefile >>>> >>>> I guess when they are going to be not precious enough to be removed? :) >>>> >>>> In modern world of ssh and https, does any OS require them in base? >>> >>> yes. >>> Some telecom equipment require rlogin. >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> Considering that the r-commands are not particularly large and also not >> really a maintenance nightmare, a would just keep them. They are (still) >> more or less part of the standard Unix toolbox, as perceived by end-users, >> and you had better not make life too difficult for them. The same is true >> for telnet. >> >> I see these tools in use regularly, e.g. to control measurement equipment >> programmatically. Due to the price tag of those instruments, that won't >> change overnight. The usage is limited to a LAN however, nobody I know uses >> these tools over the public Internet anymore. >> >> As far as I know only OpenBSD got rid of these tools up to now. Most other >> Unix(-like) systems still have them. >> >> And if they absolutely have to go, what happens to the corresponding daemons >> in /usr/libexec (rshd and rlogind)? > > Why not just move them to ports so the people that need them can have them…?
OK, telnet, used by every single person who even configures a network switch. It's in their muscle memory and, for now, we should leave it in the base system. The r* programs are less used though, as someone points out, from time to time used with telco equipment. Let's do this by stages. Move the r* stuff to a port/package and leave telnet alone for now. I know of no network admin who ever touches nc. Let's make sure we're providing for what people actually use day to day. Best, George
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