Author: crossley
Date: Fri Nov 11 16:27:00 2005
New Revision: 332682
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=332682&view=rev
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Nov 12 06:34:50 * diwaker is away: school
Nov 12 06:34:58 <diwaker> i'll leave the bot running and logs collecting
Nov 12 06:34:59 <diwaker> for later
+Nov 12 09:59:26 <xley> good morning, i will be back after breakfast
+Nov 12 09:59:59 <rgardler> Good morning David, not sure how long I am
around now - got an early start wih my son tomorrow
+Nov 12 10:00:23 <xley> hi Ross, how long?
+Nov 12 10:00:46 <rgardler> At least an hour
+Nov 12 10:01:13 <xley> okay, back after porridge.
+Nov 12 10:01:29 <rgardler> Hey, you spelt it right :-)
+Nov 12 10:27:39 <xley> backreading was easy, not much chat, but i see from svn
logs that you been busy Ross
+Nov 12 10:28:15 <rgardler> Yeah, I took our discussion about how best to
use FT/FF to heart and just got on with it ;-)
+Nov 12 10:28:31 <xley> i think so too ...
+Nov 12 10:29:01 <xley> perhaps let each other know what we are up to from
time-to-time
+Nov 12 10:29:14 <rgardler> Sure...
+Nov 12 10:29:34 <rgardler> I just posted an important comment to FOR726
(plugins use locationmap) - please check it out
+Nov 12 10:30:10 <xley> looking.
+Nov 12 10:30:35 <rgardler> I've been working from the top of my plugins
directory listing downwards, just done OOo and starting PhotoGallery
+Nov 12 10:31:14 <xley> okay i will work backwards
+Nov 12 10:32:08 <xley> re: FOR-726 note, yes i made the same pencil note when
reading svn logs this morning.
+Nov 12 10:32:34 <rgardler> I think we need to wrtite a release process for
this
+Nov 12 10:35:25 <xley> Do we need to make every resource in the plugins use
the locationmap
+Nov 12 10:35:26 <xley> or just the ones that will obviously be used from
outside?
+Nov 12 10:35:26 <xley> I wonder if it is inefficient to make absolutely
everything
+Nov 12 10:35:26 <xley> use the locationmap.
+Nov 12 10:35:57 <rgardler> I've not really considered this to be honest...
+Nov 12 10:36:16 <rgardler> you are right it does introduce a bottleneck
+Nov 12 10:36:50 <rgardler> Perhaps we should just do the obvjously useful
as you suggest
+Nov 12 10:37:11 <xley> later we can do the rest
+Nov 12 10:37:24 <rgardler> +1 - I'll start doing that from now on
+Nov 12 10:37:43 <xley> the trouble with leaving some out is inconsistency ...
+Nov 12 10:38:18 <xley> people might expect the same naming convention.
+Nov 12 10:38:26 <xley> ...
+Nov 12 10:38:51 <xley> i suppose that improved error handling for locationmap
will assist.
+Nov 12 10:39:38 <rgardler> error handling is the biggest problem at
present, it is hard to debug locationmaps :-(
+Nov 12 10:39:56 <xley> very.
+Nov 12 10:40:01 <rgardler> keeping the local resources our of the LM
actually makes it easier to build the LM
+Nov 12 10:40:46 <rgardler> We can discuss the naming convention onlist
(consistency is good from an ease of developer perspective)
+Nov 12 11:00:41 <xley> So Ross, regarding cocoon-docs, i think that we are
saying no chance yetto add the Changes processing, because Daisy plugin
intercepts everything. Is that right?
+Nov 12 11:02:35 <rgardler> As it stands right at this minute yes, but let
me commit the simplified-docbook plugin, get a whiskey and I will contemplate
it, more to come...
+Nov 12 11:04:18 <xley> Otherwise, i will try to get the cocoon-site build to
generate it into the 2.1 directory. Better for the website, but still doesn't
get it into cocoon-docs.zip
+Nov 12 11:04:45 <rgardler> I think there should be a way to work around
it...
+Nov 12 11:05:12 <rgardler> previous to the insistence on sticking with the
same url space I used *.daisy.html to indicate daisy docs
+Nov 12 11:05:14 <xley> Mmm, i had better get some Saturday morning medicine
then, and join you.
+Nov 12 11:05:21 <rgardler> that way we just had *.html for other docs
+Nov 12 11:05:35 <rgardler> I think the answer will be something like only
matching 2.1/* docs
+Nov 12 11:06:04 <xley> hope that it is that easy.
+Nov 12 11:06:30 <rgardler> I don't think so, that's why I'll need the
whiskey ;-)
+Nov 12 11:24:22 <rgardler> My experiments have not been encouraging...
+Nov 12 11:24:57 <rgardler> The problem is that Daisy returns a document
even if it down't exist (i.e. it doesn't give a 404, it gives an XML error
document)
+Nov 12 11:25:02 <rgardler> (stupid design!)
+Nov 12 11:25:10 <rgardler> Anyway...
+Nov 12 11:25:25 <rgardler> This means we can't use a selector, since a
document s returned
+Nov 12 11:25:28 <rgardler> so...
+Nov 12 11:26:31 <rgardler> The answer is to create special matchers in the
daisy-to-docs module
+Nov 12 11:26:45 <rgardler> rather than do the 2.1/** one
+Nov 12 11:27:02 <rgardler> we should do changes.html etc
+Nov 12 11:27:06 <rgardler> what do you think?
+Nov 12 11:28:09 <xley> Yes, i was wondering about that too ...
+Nov 12 11:29:21 <xley> but didn't/don't know how to effect that. The
projectInfo plugin needs to match on "changes" and "todo".
+Nov 12 11:29:45 <rgardler> yes, thinking about it there will be multiple
matches for none 2.1 daisy docs...
+Nov 12 11:30:00 <rgardler> it will be easier to do it the way I first
suggested (2.1/*) - experimenting...
+Nov 12 11:37:51 <xley> ross, see forrest-user list reply.
+Nov 12 11:38:14 <xley> is this our plugin version numbering inconsistencies?
+Nov 12 11:38:44 <rgardler> Could well be, good thought
+Nov 12 11:38:56 <rgardler> I'll respond onlist
+Nov 12 11:39:26 <xley> i did deploy some last night, how will we fix that?
+Nov 12 11:41:52 <rgardler> if the version number of the plugin was updated
then there is no problem
+Nov 12 11:42:06 <rgardler> we just need to tell users to specificy a
specific version number (as with daisy)
+Nov 12 11:42:15 <rgardler> however, if it wasn't updated
+Nov 12 11:42:21 <xley> it probably wasn't, i will go find which ones that i
deployed.
+Nov 12 11:42:44 <rgardler> we will need to CO the plugin prior to the
revision
+Nov 12 11:42:47 <rgardler> deploy it
+Nov 12 11:42:52 <rgardler> co head
+Nov 12 11:43:02 <rgardler> update version number
+Nov 12 11:43:13 <rgardler> wait for a coordinated release of all plugins
post locationmap
+Nov 12 11:43:52 <xley> okay, i will attend to that. Grrr, i should have known.
+Nov 12 11:44:13 <rgardler> I very nearly did the same thing, just managed
to CTRL-C in time
+Nov 12 11:44:37 <rgardler> howverm there are lots of inconsitensies in my
build.xml files and status.xml files now :-(
+Nov 12 11:45:31 <xley> does 'svn cleanup' help?
+Nov 12 11:46:14 <rgardler> I don't think so, I've only ever used that to
solve the "repository is locked" errror, what else does it do?
+Nov 12 11:46:31 <xley> not sure
+Nov 12 11:46:43 <rgardler> :-) - you have the same style as me ;-)
+Nov 12 11:50:30 <rgardler> where is status.xml for the 2.1 docs?
+Nov 12 11:50:41 <rgardler> (I'm having some success :-)
+Nov 12 11:51:02 <xley> ...
+Nov 12 11:51:23 <xley>
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cocoon/branches/BRANCH_2_1_X/status.xml
+Nov 12 11:51:27 <rgardler> thanks
+Nov 12 11:52:04 <xley> there is a locationmap in
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cocoon/site/src/documentation/content/locationmap.xml
+Nov 12 11:52:32 <xley> temporary ... workaround option c)
+Nov 12 11:57:36 <rgardler> the good news is that I have changes.xml (etc.)
working in the 2.1 docs...
+Nov 12 11:57:48 <rgardler> The problem is that it breaks the daisy
plugin...
+Nov 12 11:58:02 <rgardler> but not for the cocoon-docs
+Nov 12 11:58:07 <xley> hooray; oh dear
+Nov 12 11:58:13 <rgardler> I can fix the daisy plugin, but I must go to bed
+Nov 12 11:58:23 <rgardler> I'll send you a mail tellin gyou how to get it
working
+Nov 12 11:58:40 <rgardler> you can do what you need to do and we';ll
coordinate again later
+Nov 12 11:59:16 <xley> good night, i will pop back in from time-to-time ...
out to the sunny garden soon.
+Nov 12 11:59:54 <rgardler> I'll send that mail now, small changes, if you
can get it working before I go to bed then I can sleep soundly ;-)
+Nov 12 12:04:12 <xley> regarding that issue with the deployment of plugins and
version numbers: This shows that we need to add some forrestbot builds for the
release branch ... continuous integration.
+Nov 12 12:04:25 <rgardler> +1
+Nov 12 12:09:07 <rgardler> I sent the mail on how to get cocoon-docs
working with changes.xml...
+Nov 12 12:09:21 <xley> thanks
+Nov 12 12:09:28 <rgardler> going to get ready for bed, have a read and let
me know if you understand
+Nov 12 12:09:43 <rgardler> will chack back in 10 mnutes
+Nov 12 12:19:07 <rgardler> Does it make sense for you David?
+Nov 12 12:20:01 <xley> the first part yes, not sure that i understand the [1]
note about locationmap yet.
+Nov 12 12:21:10 <xley> don't worry, i will try it (not yet looked into
navigation-to-locationmap.xsl)
+Nov 12 12:21:29 <xley> another quick question before you go ...
+Nov 12 12:21:40 <rgardler> I think you will be OK with it, it's farly
simple
+Nov 12 12:21:45 <rgardler> GO ahead with your qquestion
+Nov 12 12:21:47 <xley> What is performance like for you with the
cocoon-daisy-to-docs build?
+Nov 12 12:21:47 <xley> For me, it takes ages to start (presumably building the
navigation),
+Nov 12 12:21:47 <xley> then takes about 45 seconds per document. Whereas on
the zone
+Nov 12 12:21:47 <xley> it takes 1.5 seconds per document.
+Nov 12 12:22:25 <rgardler> Performance locally is awful, similar to what
you experience
+Nov 12 12:22:37 <rgardler> I think there is a massive amount of network
traffic
+Nov 12 12:22:56 <rgardler> on the zones it is al within the local netowrk
so very fast
+Nov 12 12:22:57 <xley> i wondered that too ...
+Nov 12 12:23:18 <xley> and ... yes local to zones.
+Nov 12 12:23:59 <rgardler> I've not done any optimisation of the daisy
plugin yet
+Nov 12 12:24:08 <xley> i exaggerated ... 30 seconds per doc.
+Nov 12 12:24:15 <xley> erk.
+Nov 12 12:24:18 <rgardler> my plan is to have a daisy generator that only
requests head most of the time
+Nov 12 12:24:28 <xley> aha.
+Nov 12 12:24:58 <xley> okay, sweet dreams.
+Nov 12 12:25:33 <rgardler> Enjoy your day in the sun, winter has truly
arrived here :-(
+Nov 12 12:25:37 <rgardler> good night
+Nov 12 12:25:58 <-- rgardler has quit ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox
1.0.7/20050915]")
+Nov 12 12:26:11 <xley> thanks goodness that we have the project:start-uri
parameter in forrest.properties (project:start-uri=changes.html)
+Nov 12 12:26:25 <xley> builds that doc first.
+Nov 12 12:26:31 <xley> good night.
