Author: crossley
Date: Fri Feb 10 03:40:04 2006
New Revision: 376643
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=376643&view=rev
Log:
Update
Modified:
forrest/events/forrest-friday/20060210-log.txt
Modified: forrest/events/forrest-friday/20060210-log.txt
URL:
http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/forrest/events/forrest-friday/20060210-log.txt?rev=376643&r1=376642&r2=376643&view=diff
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--- forrest/events/forrest-friday/20060210-log.txt (original)
+++ forrest/events/forrest-friday/20060210-log.txt Fri Feb 10 03:40:04 2006
@@ -2,20 +2,20 @@
[18:42] » JennyCurran joined the chat room.
[18:43] » tscherler joined the chat room.
[18:43] » cheche joined the chat room.
-[18:43] cheche: good morning...
-[18:43] tscherler: hi
+[18:43] cheche: good morning...
+[18:43] tscherler: hi
[18:44] tscherler: cheche at what time you will come to my home?
-[18:44] xley: g'day
-[18:44] tscherler: hi david
+[18:44] xley: g'day
+[18:44] tscherler: hi david
[18:45] tscherler: BTW
[18:45] tscherler: > Thanks David, you are now the official dispatcher
"profiler" for me (no
[18:45] tscherler: > strings attached). ;-)
[18:45] tscherler: I see the smiley, but please, no. We all need to try
[18:45] tscherler: to interpet it.
-[18:45] cheche: tscherler: I do not know ... but have you realied that it
is going to be the 14th february
-[18:45] tscherler: It was a job
-[18:45] cheche: I do not want to ruin your dinner
-[18:45] tscherler: if you keep on comment this like you did I will not do them
anymore
+[18:45] cheche: tscherler: I do not know ... but have you realied that it
is going to be the 14th february
+[18:45] tscherler: It was a job
+[18:45] cheche: I do not want to ruin your dinner
+[18:45] tscherler: if you keep on comment this like you did I will not do
them anymore
[18:45] tscherler: what is a petty
[18:45] tscherler: smilling is good
[18:46] tscherler: ;-)
@@ -23,111 +23,111 @@
[18:46] tscherler: no worries
[18:46] tscherler: I am married now 6 years ;-)
[18:47] tscherler: (08:45:27) tscherler: It was a job-> should read it was a
joke
-[18:47] cheche: ok, so possibly around 9 pm
+[18:47] cheche: ok, so possibly around 9 pm
[18:48] cheche: http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forreâst/forrest.log.10Feb2006
[18:48] cheche: that is the live log
-[18:48] tscherler: k
+[18:48] tscherler: k
[18:48] tscherler: looking forward dude
-[18:50] cheche: I am a bit sad about forrest...
+[18:50] cheche: I am a bit sad about forrest...
[18:50] cheche: I was doing a web site for a customer
-[18:50] tscherler: why?
-[18:50] cheche: http://www.cesarnieto.com/
+[18:50] tscherler: why?
+[18:50] cheche: http://www.cesarnieto.com/
[18:51] cheche: I did it using forrest v.07
[18:51] cheche: and I ask a css programer to help me with the site
[18:51] cheche: I have got an email yesterday from him
-[18:52] tscherler: and?
-[18:52] cheche: he said that it was the most complex css code that he ever
saw
+[18:52] tscherler: and?
+[18:52] cheche: he said that it was the most complex css code that he ever
saw
[18:52] cheche: and he quit for the job :-)
-[18:53] tscherler: lol
+[18:53] tscherler: lol
[18:53] tscherler: but it was not jose, or?
-[18:53] cheche: no, it was not jose
-[18:53] tscherler: k
-[18:53] cheche: it was other person that I contact before jose
+[18:53] cheche: no, it was not jose
+[18:53] tscherler: k
+[18:53] cheche: it was other person that I contact before jose
[18:53] cheche: jose does not seem an expert on css code
-[18:53] tscherler: the css was growing
+[18:53] tscherler: the css was growing
[18:54] tscherler: yeah can be
[18:54] tscherler: I had feeling once ;-)
-[18:55] cheche: well, that was with the old version
+[18:55] cheche: well, that was with the old version
[18:55] cheche: is the dispatcher going to help in this way?
[19:00] cheche: xley: about the user moderation policy
[19:00] cheche: I am ok with the new changes.
-[19:01] xley: okay, as you can see i don't know much about moderation, so
just stumble along
-[19:01] cheche: but I think that when a new email comes to the moderation
state,, should sent an email to the person asking to sned an email to [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
+[19:01] xley: okay, as you can see i don't know much about moderation,
so just stumble along
+[19:01] cheche: but I think that when a new email comes to the moderation
state,, should sent an email to the person asking to sned an email to [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
[19:02] cheche: xley: can I add www.cesarnieto.com as en example site?
-[19:02] xley: better if they do.
+[19:02] xley: better if they do.
[19:02] xley: sure please do
-[19:03] cheche: but It has his own skin and a lot of modifications
-[19:03] xley: no problem, it is still an example of what can be done.
-[19:03] cheche: ok then
-[19:04] tscherler: cheche yes and no
+[19:03] cheche: but It has his own skin and a lot of modifications
+[19:03] xley: no problem, it is still an example of what can be done.
+[19:03] cheche: ok then
+[19:04] tscherler: cheche yes and no
[19:04] tscherler: the css codes is not rewritten for the dispatcher
[19:04] tscherler: but it would make sense
[19:05] tscherler: it makes it way easier for a designer to change everything
but still you need to do it ;-)
[19:05] tscherler: k
[19:05] tscherler: I will have to run
[19:05] tscherler: will be back in 1 hour cu
-[19:05] cheche: cu
+[19:05] cheche: cu
[19:06] cheche: for the next project, I am going to try the dispacher and use
this person to modify the css.
[19:06] cheche: It is an experiment
-[19:06] tscherler: :)
-[19:15] cheche: added cesarnieto.com
+[19:06] tscherler: :)
+[19:15] cheche: added cesarnieto.com
[19:16] cheche: I have to go, I will try to find a bit of time latter on... is
everything ok xley?
-[19:17] xley: yes thanks cheche, see you later.
+[19:17] xley: yes thanks cheche, see you later.
[19:32] » tscherler left the chat room. (Read error: 110 (Connection timed
out))
[19:42] » _Gav_ joined the chat room.
-[19:45] _Gav_: Afternoon
-[19:48] xley: Hi Gavin, i am just heading off for dinner, back later.
+[19:45] _Gav_: Afternoon
+[19:48] xley: Hi Gavin, i am just heading off for dinner, back later.
[19:49] xley: http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forreâst/forrest.log.10Feb2006
-[19:50] _Gav_: thanks
+[19:50] _Gav_: thanks
[19:50] _Gav_: I'll work on pelt.fv if no-one else is
[19:57] » Cyriaque joined the chat room.
-[20:03] _Gav_: Hi Cyriaque
-[20:04] Cyriaque: Hi
-[20:04] _Gav_: Hows things
+[20:03] _Gav_: Hi Cyriaque
+[20:04] Cyriaque: Hi
+[20:04] _Gav_: Hows things
[20:04] _Gav_: log :
http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrâest/forrest.log.10Feb2006
-[20:12] xley: Gav, you will make Cheche very pleased to tidy up the
structure and the CSS of pelt.fv
+[20:12] xley: Gav, you will make Cheche very pleased to tidy up the
structure and the CSS of pelt.fv
[20:12] xley: Hi Cyriaque
[20:12] xley: dinner is cooking, back soon.
-[20:12] Cyriaque: Hi David
-[20:29] _Gav_: no problem, will do
+[20:12] Cyriaque: Hi David
+[20:29] _Gav_: no problem, will do
[21:01] » rgardler joined the chat room.
-[21:02] rgardler: Good morning/evening for anyone around.
+[21:02] rgardler: Good morning/evening for anyone around.
[21:02] rgardler: I'm going to be hear on and off today
[21:02] rgardler: moving office and there has been a problem with the movers
[21:02] rgardler: Whilst around I will be working on FOR-200
-[21:04] xley: get those movers moving.
-[21:04] rgardler: they're moving now :-)
-[21:07] xley: Re: FOR-200 locationmap, our never-ending issue ...
+[21:04] xley: get those movers moving.
+[21:04] rgardler: they're moving now :-)
+[21:07] xley: Re: FOR-200 locationmap, our never-ending issue ...
[21:08] xley: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browâse/FOR-726 (lm in plugins)
... what is the story with the second-last comment
[21:09] xley: "verify the version numbers in each plugin's build.xml (some use
a -dev and some do not) and in plugins.xml"
-[21:09] rgardler: OK, I've been meaning to address that for a while,
+[21:09] rgardler: OK, I've been meaning to address that for a while,
[21:09] rgardler: I need to check some of the install code
[21:09] rgardler: I know I *planne* something, not sure if I implemented it
[21:09] rgardler: looking now - back soon
[21:10] rgardler: (planne = planned)
-[21:10] xley: i will look too.
-[21:11] rgardler: I have a feeling the -dev means nothing - I think I went
for no versionnumber meaning latest version in the end
-[21:11] xley: i wondered that too.
-[21:13] rgardler: I see no occurance of "dev" in plugins.xml (the build file)
+[21:10] xley: i will look too.
+[21:11] rgardler: I have a feeling the -dev means nothing - I think I went
for no versionnumber meaning latest version in the end
+[21:11] xley: i wondered that too.
+[21:13] rgardler: I see no occurance of "dev" in plugins.xml (the build file)
[21:13] rgardler: therefore my conclusion is that I did go for no version
number in the end
[21:13] rgardler: therefore we should *not* have "-dev" extensions
-[21:13] xley: i did find and grep "\-dev" in main ... nothing that seems
relevant.
-[21:14] rgardler: (OT my son just ate his first breakfast without assistane -
applause for my son - who now need to be cleaned up)
+[21:13] xley: i did find and grep "\-dev" in main ... nothing that seems
relevant.
+[21:14] rgardler: (OT my son just ate his first breakfast without assistane
- applause for my son - who now need to be cleaned up)
[21:14] rgardler: looking at main...
-[21:14] xley: okay i will go any fix that aspect
-[21:15] rgardler: I only see "dev" in the context of Forrest core version
numbers so we seem to agree
+[21:14] xley: okay i will go any fix that aspect
+[21:15] rgardler: I only see "dev" in the context of Forrest core version
numbers so we seem to agree
[21:16] rgardler: Going to clean zeph, back in 10 mnutes, then on with FOR-711
(LM caching)
-[22:01] xley: Ross, when you are back, i would like to have a talk about
plugin deployment.
-[22:01] rgardler: I'm back - give me a few minutes to write some notes on
what I have discovered re FOR-711 - 2 minutes
-[22:02] xley: k
-[22:05] _Gav_: Ive been out, back to work on Pelt theme, should I work
directly in plugin directory on this, or deploy it to a test site
+[22:01] xley: Ross, when you are back, i would like to have a talk about
plugin deployment.
+[22:01] rgardler: I'm back - give me a few minutes to write some notes on
what I have discovered re FOR-711 - 2 minutes
+[22:02] xley: k
+[22:05] _Gav_: Ive been out, back to work on Pelt theme, should I work
directly in plugin directory on this, or deploy it to a test site
[22:05] _Gav_: What concerns has cheche with this
-[22:05] xley: do both
-[22:06] _Gav_: ok cheers
-[22:06] xley: cheche might be back later today.
-[22:06] _Gav_: ok
-[22:10] rgardler: OK, David, fire away
-[22:11] xley: about plugin deployment ...
+[22:05] xley: do both
+[22:06] _Gav_: ok cheers
+[22:06] xley: cheche might be back later today.
+[22:06] _Gav_: ok
+[22:10] rgardler: OK, David, fire away
+[22:11] xley: about plugin deployment ...
[22:11] xley: we have talked about this once before (cannot yet find it)
[22:12] xley: anyway ...
[22:12] xley: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/foârrest/site/plugins/
@@ -135,32 +135,80 @@
[22:12] xley: the badly named version numbers in the plugins/*/build.xml files.
[22:12] xley: Fixed now so i suppose that can be removed.
[22:12] xley: ...
-[22:13] rgardler: No...
-[22:13] xley: tell me
-[22:13] rgardler: I think we may have been at cross-purposes earlier
+[22:13] rgardler: No...
+[22:13] xley: tell me
+[22:13] rgardler: I think we may have been at cross-purposes earlier
[22:13] rgardler: I was talking about -dev extension to plugin names
[22:13] rgardler: were you talking about -dev on the forrest version?
-[22:14] xley: i also about -dev extension to plugin names ...
-[22:14] rgardler: OK
-[22:14] xley: the -dev on the forrest version is related ...
-[22:14] rgardler: So the 0.8-dev directory is the Forrest core version
+[22:14] xley: i also about -dev extension to plugin names ...
+[22:14] rgardler: OK
+[22:14] xley: the -dev on the forrest version is related ...
+[22:14] rgardler: So the 0.8-dev directory is the Forrest core version
[22:14] rgardler: when we release 0.8 that becomes 0.8 (loses the -dev)
-[22:14] xley: because that is where the end up being deployed, gotta get
both right.
-[22:15] rgardler: Can we remove the confusion? Just drop -dev in both cases?
+[22:14] xley: because that is where the end up being deployed, gotta get
both right.
+[22:15] rgardler: Can we remove the confusion? Just drop -dev in both cases?
[22:15] » twilliams_ joined the chat room.
-[22:15] xley: that is what i wondered too
-[22:15] rgardler: I think we can... some background...
+[22:15] xley: that is what i wondered too
+[22:15] rgardler: I think we can... some background...
[22:16] rgardler: I used the -dev extension (for core) so it matched what is
in the docs
[22:16] rgardler: So, dropping it will make it the *only* place we don't use
-dev
[22:16] rgardler: But will simplify the release process
-[22:17] xley: so what are the zips at the top-level then?
-[22:17] rgardler: The top level zips are the current dev version
+[22:17] xley: so what are the zips at the top-level then?
+[22:17] rgardler: The top level zips are the current dev version
[22:18] rgardler: I think it is a throw back to pre-versioned plugins
[22:18] rgardler: would have to verify the download process
[22:18] rgardler: we should be able to lose them now
[22:18] rgardler: No.. just remembered
-[22:19] xley: :-) glad that we are talking about it
-[22:19] rgardler: if you specificy a dev version (-dev)
+[22:19] xley: :-) glad that we are talking about it
+[22:19] rgardler: if you specificy a dev version (-dev)
[22:19] rgardler: it will (used to?) always use the unversioned top level pugin
-[22:19] xley:
http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forreâst/forrest.log.10Feb2006
-[22:19] rgardler: thus it made no difference what forrest core version you
used
+[22:19] xley:
http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forreâst/forrest.log.10Feb2006
+[22:19] rgardler: thus it made no difference what forrest core version you
used
+[22:20] rgardler: However, our eralier conversation seems to imply this is no
longer the case
+[22:20] rgardler: (I wish I could remember everything I've done - reviewing
commit logs now)
+[22:21] rgardler: (By the way Hi Tim. When you get chance can you review my
comments on FOR-711)
+[22:22] xley: Hi Tim (had to keep that conversation with Ross going).
+[22:23] rgardler: Original deployment code at:
+[22:23] rgardler:
http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/âforrest/trunk/plugins/build.xml?reâv=105856&r1=76254&r2=105856&diff_fâormat=h
+[22:24] rgardler: Versioned deployment code at
+[22:24] rgardler:
http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/âforrest/trunk/plugins/build.xml?reâv=189638&r1=189630&r2=189638&diff_âformat=h
+[22:24] twilliams_: hey everyone, just trying to catch up. i'll be mostly
lurking -- have paid work to do today:(
+[22:25] rgardler: Another deplyment related commit
+[22:25] rgardler:
http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/âforrest/trunk/plugins/build.xml?reâv=189945&r1=189872&r2=189945&diff_âformat=h
+[22:25] rgardler: OK, now I'm going to try and decipher those commits ;-)
+[22:29] xley: about the forrest.version number in plugins/*/build.xml
... some had "0.8" and some had "0.8-dev". Now no "-dev".
+[22:29] rgardler: No "-dev" is good and agreed
+[22:29] rgardler: Regarding the top-level zips
+[22:30] rgardler: SVN is a wonderful tool:
+[22:30] rgardler: I found this:
+[22:30] rgardler: <!-- FIXME: remove this duplication of content. It is here
to allow a fallback to an
+[22:30] rgardler: unversioned plugin, but the plugin install system should be
intelligent enough to know
+[22:30] rgardler: which to download as a fallback. -->
+[22:30] rgardler: So I was remembering correctly...
+[22:30] rgardler: In summary...
+[22:30] xley: phew
+[22:30] rgardler: when an unversioned plugin is specified it *always* loads
from
+[22:31] rgardler: the top level
+[22:31] rgardler: what should happen (above fixme)
+[22:31] rgardler: is that it looks in the highest forrest core version as that
will be the highest dev version
+[22:31] rgardler: Does this make sense?
+[22:32] rgardler: i.e. pluginname-0.2 will look for 0.2 in the correct forrest
core directory, but pluginname will look in the *latest* forrest core
regardless of what the user is running
+[22:32] rgardler: (sounds wrong now I write it)
+[22:33] xley: why don't we have just directories. /0.7/ and /0.8/ and
/0.9/
+[22:34] rgardler: I'm leaning that way now, I'll explain my original thinking
+[22:34] rgardler: But I'll do it in a mail, needs a little thought to get the
message across,
+[22:34] xley: okay.
+[22:36] rgardler: Wait no need for a mail, it's simpler than I thought...
+[22:36] rgardler: the above fixme is confusing me (I wrote it!)
+[22:36] xley: even better
+[22:37] rgardler: Use case: a user wants to have the cutting edge Foo plugin
+[22:37] rgardler: they specifcy o.a.f.p.i.foo in their forest properties (no
version number)
+[22:37] rgardler: Since they want to be on the cutting edge they want to know
when new features require an upgrade
+[22:37] rgardler: (of forrest core)
+[22:38] rgardler: so the plugi is downloaded from the top-level (no core
version number)
+[22:38] rgardler: If local Forrest install can't run pugin it throws an error
asking user to upgrade core or downgrade plugin version
+[22:38] rgardler: No user can specify a version number (say 0.2)
+[22:39] rgardler: this is deployed in the relevant forrest core folder (say
0.7)
+[22:39] rgardler: OR
+[22:39] rgardler: They continue to specify no number but upgrade to forrest
0.8-dev
+[22:39] rgardler: In other words, the versioned directories contain releases,
the top level contains dev
