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> On Dec 27, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Karl Wagner <razie...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 22. Dec 2017, at 07:13, Ted Kremenek via swift-dev <swift-dev@swift.org>
>> wrote:
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>>> On Dec 19, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Ted Kremenek via swift-dev
>>> <swift-dev@swift.org> wrote:
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>>>> On Dec 19, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Douglas Gregor <dgre...@apple.com> wrote:
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>>>>> On Dec 19, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Ted Kremenek <kreme...@apple.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Douglas Gregor <dgre...@apple.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Ted Kremenek via swift-dev
>>>>>>> <swift-dev@swift.org> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2017, 4:53 PM -0800, Douglas Gregor via swift-dev
>>>>>>>> <swift-dev@swift.org>, wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A little while back, I added an error to the Swift 4.1 compiler that
>>>>>>>> complains if one tries to use conditional conformances, along with a
>>>>>>>> flag “-enable-experimental-conditional-conformances” to enable the
>>>>>>>> feature. We did this because we haven’t implemented the complete
>>>>>>>> proposal yet; specifically, we don’t yet handle dynamic casting that
>>>>>>>> involves conditional conformances, and won’t in Swift 4.1.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’d like to take away the
>>>>>>>> "-enable-experimental-conditional-conformances” flag and always allow
>>>>>>>> conditional conformances in Swift 4.1, because the changes in the
>>>>>>>> standard library that make use of conditional conformances can force
>>>>>>>> users to change their code *to themselves use conditional
>>>>>>>> conformances*. Specifically, if they had code like this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> extension MutableSlice : P { }
>>>>>>>> extension MutableBidirectionalSlice : P { }
>>>>>>>> // …
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they’ll get an error about overlapping conformances, and need to do
>>>>>>>> something like the following to fix the issue:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> extension Slice: P where Base: MutableCollection { }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> which is way more elegant, but would require passing
>>>>>>>> "-enable-experimental-conditional-conformances”. That seems…
>>>>>>>> unfortunate… given that we’re forcing them to use this feature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My proposal is, specifically:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Allow conditional conformances to be used in Swift 4.1 (no flag
>>>>>>>> required)
>>>>>>>> Drop the -enable-experimental-conditional-conformances flag entirely
>>>>>>>> Add a runtime warning when an attempt to dynamic cast fails due to a
>>>>>>>> conditional conformance, so at least users know what’s going on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The last bullet doesn’t feel right to me. It sounds like we would ship
>>>>>>> a feature that we know only partially works, but issue a runtime
>>>>>>> warning in the case we know isn’t fully implemented? I’m I
>>>>>>> interpretting that point correctly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, that’s correct. We will fail to match the conformance (i.e., return
>>>>>> “nil” from an “as?” cast), which might be correct and might be wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm. I’m concerned that a warning runtime would be to settle. Many
>>>>> people would possibly not even notice it. It’s essentially an edge case
>>>>> in a feature that isn’t fully implemented and thus that part of the
>>>>> feature should not be used yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think about making this a hard runtime error instead, similar
>>>>> to how we are approaching runtime issues for exclusivity checking? That
>>>>> would be impossible to miss and would convey the optics that this runtime
>>>>> aspect of the feature is not yet supported and thus should not be used.
>>>>
>>>> I’d rather not make it a runtime error, because code that’s doing dynamic
>>>> casting to a protocol is generally already handling the “nil” case (“as?”
>>>> syntax), so aborting the program feels far too strong.
>>>>
>>>> - Doug
>>>
>>> For me I think the part I’m struggling with is that making it a warning
>>> conflates two things together: expected failure in the dynamic cast because
>>> the value you are casting doesn’t have that type or — in this case —
>>> failure because the cast can never succeed because it is not supported yet.
>>> I feel like we would be silently swallowing an unsupported condition. If
>>> that didn’t matter, why bother issuing a warning? Clearly were trying to
>>> send some kind of message here about this not being supported.
>>
>> Doug and I chatted a bit offline.
>>
>> I’m now more on the side of thinking a warning is a reasonable approach.
>> I’m still concerned that it will be unnoticed by some developers, and I am
>> mixed on conflating failure the cast of “this doesn’t work at all for this
>> specific type because it has a conditional conformance” versus “this didn’t
>> work because the type didn’t conform to the protocol”. That said, I think
>> the cases impacted here are likely very, very small — and a crash in the
>> program is probably excessive.
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> What about if we disabled conditional conformances for non-generic protocols
> (or keep that part behind the flag)? It seems a bit arbitrary, but IIRC, the
> standard library uses conditional conformances for things like Equatable and
> the various faces of Collection, which are not runtime-castable anyway.
This is a reasonable approach. To make it consistent, we would want to make the
Codable conformances of Array, Set, Dictionary, and Optional unconditional
again—otherwise, user code couldn’t have Codable conformances for some types
without adding the flag.
I’m hesitant to do this because the unconditional conformances to Codable are
wrong, and fixing them is going to cause some (legitimate, necessary) source
breakage. It feels better overall to get that out of the way sooner... before
more wrong Codable conformances get layered on top.
- Doug
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