I'm strongly in favor of the proposal, but I too think the proposal is missing balance. I'd really like to see all the points for and against laid out in one place, so they can be weighed appropriately.
Tyler > On Dec 16, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Nick Shelley via swift-evolution > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Also, the "community responses" section only lists the positive community > responses, when the actual community discussion seemed to be more of an even > split (if not more people opposed). That's just more evidence that at least > this particular proposal is blatantly and purposefully one-sided in its > representation of the community's input. > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Nick Shelley <[email protected]> wrote: >>> All of the prior swift-evolution commentary on this proposal (which is >>> nearing the 100-message mark) will also be considered, of course! >> >> It is my opinion that the proposal should encapsulate as much of that >> discussion as possible so every reviewer doesn't have to read every comment >> in that thread. The current proposal is wildly one-sided and seems to only >> reflect the opinion of its author and those who agree with the proposal. I >> created a Pull Request (https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/pull/59, >> still not merged and no comments as to why) to more fairly represent the >> single counter-argument pointed out in the proposal, but others in the >> mailing list expressed concern that none of the other downsides of the >> proposal are represented at all. >> >> Is my (and others') desire to have the proposal contain an accurate >> representation of the main points of the community discussion off base? Is >> the main purpose of the proposal to be a sales pitch for an idea, even if it >> includes building up and tearing down straw-man versions of the arguments >> brought forth by the opposition? I'm asking with sincere curiosity because I >> can't seem to find a good description of the purpose of the proposal in my >> research of how the evolution process works. >> >> Thanks in advance for clarifying these points for me. >> >>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Douglas Gregor via swift-evolution >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> All of the prior swift-evolution commentary on this proposal (which is >>> nearing the 100-message mark) will also be considered, of course! >>> >>> - Doug >>> >>>> On Dec 16, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Douglas Gregor via swift-evolution >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Swift community, >>>> >>>> The review of “Require self for accessing instance members” begins now and >>>> runs through Sunday, December 20th. The proposal is available here: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/proposals/0009-require-self-for-accessing-instance-members.md >>>> >>>> Reviews are an important part of the Swift evolution process. All reviews >>>> should be sent to the swift-evolution mailing list at >>>> >>>> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution >>>> >>>> or, if you would like to keep your feedback private, directly to the >>>> review manager. >>>> >>>> What goes into a review? >>>> >>>> The goal of the review process is to improve the proposal under review >>>> through constructive criticism and, eventually, determine the direction of >>>> Swift. When writing your review, here are some questions you might want to >>>> answer in your review: >>>> >>>> * What is your evaluation of the proposal? >>>> * Is the problem being addressed significant enough to warrant a change >>>> to Swift? >>>> * Does this proposal fit well with the feel and direction of Swift? >>>> * If you have you used other languages or libraries with a similar >>>> feature, how do you feel that this proposal compares to those? >>>> * How much effort did you put into your review? A glance, a quick >>>> reading, or an in-depth study? >>>> >>>> More information about the Swift evolution process is available at >>>> >>>> https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/master/process.md >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doug Gregor >>>> Review Manager >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> swift-evolution mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> swift-evolution mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution > > > _______________________________________________ > swift-evolution mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution
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