> On 28 May 2016, at 6:00 AM, Brent Royal-Gordon via swift-evolution 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>>> I'm not sure how much metadata is necessary beyond name (in the key) and 
>>> type (discussed soon).
>> 
>> In the future we may have user-defined attributes.  It could be very useful 
>> to expose that.
> 
> 
> This is true.
> 
> Actually, I'm wondering if property behaviors should be able to essentially 
> declare alternate PropertyViews and add their properties to them. For 
> instance:
> 
>       var behavior persistent<Value: PersistentValue>: Value where Self: 
> ManagedObject {
>               belongsto persistentProperties, static 
> persistentInstanceProperties
>               
>               name: String
>               var value: Value
>               
>               init() {
>                       value = entity.propertiesByName[name].defaultValue
>               }
>               
>               get { return value }
>               set { value = newValue }
>       }
>       
>       protocol Managed {
>               static var persistentProperties: InstancePropertyView<Self> { 
> get }
>               var persistentProperties: PropertyView<Self> { get set }
>               ...
>       }
>       
>       class Person: Managed {
>               @persistent var name: String
>               @persistent var birthDate: Date
>       }
>       
>       print(Person.persistentProperties.keys)         // => "name", 
> "birthDate"
> 
> I think it's probably more likely that you want to access the subset of 
> properties with a particular attribute than that you want to look through all 
> the properties and check whether each one has or doesn't have that attribute.
> 
> (Incidentally, this is beginning to look a little like one of the 
> post-@memberwise proposals to have some sort of entity representing a group 
> of properties—only more flexible and with a broader set of use cases. Still, 
> there might be hope for a solution with a `@memberwise` behavior and a macro 
> to look at the resulting property view and generate an initializer from it.)
> 
>>> Yes. I would hope that you could downcast a concrete lens:
>>> 
>>>     let lens: () -> inout Int = &array.count                                
>>>         // Assuming this is a "get lens” syntax
>> 
>> I think the syntax was actually a little bit different as the lens isn’t 
>> bound to the instance and a readonly lens wouldn’t return inout:
>> 
>> let lens: (Array<MyType>) -> Int = &array.count
> 
> I envision there being both bound lenses (sorry, I forgot that `Array.count` 
> isn't mutating):
> 
>       struct Person { var name: String }
>       var joe = Person(name: "Joe")
>       
>       let lens: () -> inout String =  &joe.name
> 
> And unbound ones:
> 
>       let unboundLens: (inout Person) -> inout String = Person.name
> 
> `properties` on an instance would give you bound lenses; `properties` on a 
> type would give you unbound ones. (Or maybe the latter would be something 
> like `instanceProperties`, since type instances have properties too.)
> 
> On the other hand, the idea of bound lenses might not be coherent; the 
> `inout` parameter of an unbound lens helps make sure that mutation affects 
> value-typed instances, so bound lenses might not work. Perhaps `properties` 
> on an instance should be more akin to a `[String: Any]` dictionary, so that 
> `joe.properties["name"] = "Bob"` naturally calls `joe`'s `properties` setter. 
> The problem I see there is that the `openas` might open things too far: If 
> the property is declared to be of protocol type, `openas` would end up giving 
> you the concrete type of its current value instead.

In this case, I wonder if it would be less confusing if bound lenses are 
available only on reference types, or existential with a class bound.

> 
>>> And that you could later open the abstracted lens to get its concrete type:
>>> 
>>>     if let concreteLens = abstractLens openas Lens {
>>>             print(Lens.ReturnValue)
>>>             …
>>>     }
>> 
>> What about casting like this:
>> 
>> let typedLens = abstractLens as? (Array<MyType>) -> Int
> 
> If you're specifically expecting an `Int`, sure. But if you have no idea what 
> the type is and want to find out, I think you'd need to (somehow) open the 
> Any lens and see the concrete return type inside.
> 
> -- 
> Brent Royal-Gordon
> Architechies
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