I prefer this 100x more

Is there any reason why this wouldn't work?

Brandon 

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Xiaodi Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I'd be happy to lose the parentheses as well.
> 
> In the last thread, my take on simplifying the proposed syntax was:
> 
> ```
> import Swift using String, Int
> 
> // or, for hiding:
> import Swift using Int as _
> ```
> 
> The key simplification here is that hiding doesn't need its own contextual 
> keyboard, especially if we support renaming (a huge plus in my book), as 
> renaming to anything unused (or explicitly to `_`) is what hiding is all 
> about.
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 15:01 Brandon Knope <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Xiaodi Wu via swift-evolution 
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As Joe and others mentioned in the previous thread, this syntax could be 
>>> greatly simplified in ways that resemble analogous facilities in other 
>>> languages. In particular I think it's alarmingly asymmetrical that, in your 
>>> proposal, `import Swift using (String)` imports *only* String while `import 
>>> Swift hiding (String)` imports *everything but* String. This becomes 
>>> evident when chained together:
>>> 
>>> ```
>>> import Swift using (String, Int)
>>> // imports only String and Int
>>> import Swift using (String, Int) hiding (String)
>>> // imports only Int
>>> import Swift hiding (String, Int)
>>> // imports everything except String and Int
>>> import Swift hiding (String, Int) using (String)
>>> // imports *nothing*? nothing except String? everything except Int? 
>>> confusing.
>>> ```
>>> 
>>> By contrast, Joe's proposed syntax (with some riffs) produces something 
>>> much more terse *and* much more clear:
>>> 
>>> ```
>>> import Swift.*
>>> import Swift.(Int as MyInt, *)
>>> import Swift.(Int as _, *)
>>> ```
>> 
>> I really don't find this much clearer than the proposed one. The proposal 
>> reads much clearer. 
>> 
>> Joe's syntax has a lot going on in my opinion.
>> 
>> For the proposal, do we really need the parentheses? It makes the syntax 
>> look heavier
>> 
>> Brandon 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Robert Widmann via swift-evolution 
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> I’d like to thank the members of the community that have guided the 
>>>> revisions of this proposal.  We have decided to heed the advice of the 
>>>> community and break down our original proposal on modules and qualified 
>>>> imports into source-breaking (qualified imports) and additive (modules) 
>>>> proposals.  As qualified imports is the change most suited to Swift 3, we 
>>>> are pushing that proposal now as our final draft.
>>>> 
>>>> It can be had inline with this email, on Github, or as a gist.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> ~Robert Widmann
>>>> 
>>>> Qualified Imports Revisited
>>>> Proposal: SE-NNNN
>>>> Authors: Robert Widmann, TJ Usiyan
>>>> Status: Awaiting review
>>>> Review manager: TBD
>>>> Introduction
>>>> 
>>>> We propose a complete overhaul of the qualified imports syntax and 
>>>> semantics.
>>>> 
>>>> Motivation
>>>> 
>>>> The existing syntax for qualified imports from modules is needlessly 
>>>> explicit, does not compose, and has a default semantics that dilutes the 
>>>> intended meaning of the very operation itself. Today, a qualified import 
>>>> looks something like this
>>>> 
>>>> import class Foundation.Date
>>>> This means that clients of Foundation that wish to see only Date must know 
>>>> the exact kind of declaration that identifier is. In addition, though this 
>>>> import specifies exactly one class be imported from Foundation, the actual 
>>>> semantics mean Swift will recursively open all of Foundation's submodules 
>>>> so you can see, and use, every other identifier anyway - and they are not 
>>>> filtered from code completion. Qualified imports deserve to be first-class 
>>>> in Swift, and that is what we intend to make them with this proposal.
>>>> 
>>>> Proposed solution
>>>> 
>>>> The grammar and semantics of qualified imports will change completely with 
>>>> the addition of import qualifiers and import directives. We also introduce 
>>>> two new contextual keywords: using and hiding, to facilitate fine-grained 
>>>> usage of module contents.
>>>> 
>>>> Detailed design
>>>> 
>>>> Qualified import syntax will be revised to the following
>>>> 
>>>> import-decl -> import <import-path> <(opt) import-directive-list>
>>>> import-path -> <identifier>
>>>>             -> <identifier>.<identifier>
>>>> import-directive-list -> <import-directive>
>>>>                       -> <import-directive> <import-directive-list>
>>>> import-directive -> using (<identifier>, ...)
>>>>                  -> hiding (<identifier>, ...)
>>>> This introduces the concept of an import directive. An import directive is 
>>>> a file-local modification of an imported identifier. A directive can be 
>>>> one of 2 operations:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) using: The using directive is followed by a list of identifiers for 
>>>> non-member nominal declarations within the imported module that should be 
>>>> exposed to this file. 
>>>> 
>>>> // The only visible parts of Foundation in this file are 
>>>> // Foundation.Date, Foundation.DateFormatter, and Foundation.DateComponents
>>>> //
>>>> // Previously, this was
>>>> // import class Foundation.Date
>>>> // import class Foundation.DateFormatter
>>>> // import class Foundation.DateComponents
>>>> import Foundation using (Date, DateFormatter, DateComponents)
>>>> 2) hiding: The hiding directive is followed by a list of identifiers for 
>>>> non-member nominal declarations within the imported module that should be 
>>>> hidden from this file.
>>>> 
>>>> // Imports all of Foundation except `Date`
>>>> import Foundation hiding (Date)
>>>> As today, all hidden identifiers do not hide the type, they merely hide 
>>>> that type’s members and its declaration. For example, this means values of 
>>>> hidden types are still allowed. Unlike the existing implementation, using 
>>>> their members is forbidden.
>>>> 
>>>> // Imports `DateFormatter` but the declaration of `Date` is hidden.
>>>> import Foundation using (DateFormatter)
>>>> 
>>>> var d = DateFormatter().date(from: "...") // Valid
>>>> var dt : Date = DateFormatter().date(from: "...") // Invalid: Cannot use 
>>>> name of hidden type.
>>>> d.addTimeInterval(5.0) // Invalid: Cannot use members of hidden type.
>>>> Import directives chain to one another and can be used to create a 
>>>> fine-grained module import:
>>>> 
>>>> // This imports Swift.Int, Swift.Double, and Swift.String but hides 
>>>> Swift.String.UTF8View
>>>> import Swift using (String, Int, Double) 
>>>>              hiding (String.UTF8View)
>>>> Directive chaining occurs left-to-right:
>>>> 
>>>> // This says to 1) Use Int 2) Hide String 3) rename Double to Triple.  It 
>>>> is invalid
>>>> // because 1) Int is available 2) String is not, error.
>>>> import Swift using (Int) hiding (String)
>>>> // Valid.  This will be merged as `using (Int)`
>>>> import Swift using () using (Int)
>>>> // Valid.  This will be merged as `hiding (String, Double)`
>>>> import Swift hiding (String) hiding (Double) hiding ()
>>>> // Valid (if redundant). This will be merged as `using ()`
>>>> import Swift using (String) hiding (String)
>>>> Because import directives are file-local, they will never be exported 
>>>> along with the module that declares them.
>>>> 
>>>> Impact on existing code
>>>> 
>>>> Existing code that is using qualified module import syntax (import 
>>>> {func|class|typealias|class|struct|enum|protocol} <qualified-name>) will 
>>>> be deprecated and should be removed or migrated. 
>>>> 
>>>> Alternatives considered
>>>> 
>>>> A previous iteration of this proposal introduced an operation to allow the 
>>>> renaming of identifiers, especially members. The original intent was to 
>>>> allow file-local modifications of APIs consumers felt needed to conform to 
>>>> their specific coding style. On review, we felt the feature was not as 
>>>> significant as to warrant inclusion and was ripe for abuse in large 
>>>> projects.
>>>> 
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