> On Nov 10, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Joe Groff <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:29 AM, John McCall <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 7:44 AM, Joe Groff via swift-evolution 
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Dave Abrahams via swift-evolution 
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> on Mon Nov 07 2016, John McCall <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Dave Abrahams via swift-evolution 
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Given that we're headed for ABI (and thus stdlib API) stability, I've
>>>>>> been giving lots of thought to the bottom layer of our collection
>>>>> 
>>>>>> abstraction and how it may limit our potential for efficiency.  In
>>>>>> particular, I want to keep the door open for optimizations that work on
>>>>>> contiguous memory regions.  Every cache-friendly data structure, even if
>>>>>> it is not an array, contains contiguous memory regions over which
>>>>>> operations can often be vectorized, that should define boundaries for
>>>>>> parallelism, etc.  Throughout Cocoa you can find patterns designed to
>>>>>> exploit this fact when possible (NSFastEnumeration).  Posix I/O bottoms
>>>>>> out in readv/writev, and MPI datatypes essentially boil down to
>>>>>> identifying the contiguous parts of data structures.  My point is that
>>>>>> this is an important class of optimization, with numerous real-world
>>>>>> examples.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you think about what it means to build APIs for contiguous memory
>>>>>> into abstractions like Sequence or Collection, at least without
>>>>>> penalizing the lowest-level code, it means exposing UnsafeBufferPointers
>>>>>> as a first-class part of the protocols, which is really
>>>>>> unappealing... unless you consider that *borrowed* UnsafeBufferPointers
>>>>>> can be made safe.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [Well, it's slightly more complicated than that because
>>>>>> UnsafeBufferPointer is designed to bypass bounds checking in release
>>>>>> builds, and to ensure safety you'd need a BoundsCheckedBuffer—or
>>>>>> something—that checks bounds unconditionally... but] the point remains
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A thing that is unsafe when it's arbitrarily copied can become safe if
>>>>>> you ensure that it's only borrowed (in accordance with well-understood
>>>>>> lifetime rules).
>>>>> 
>>>>> UnsafeBufferPointer today is a copyable type.  Having a borrowed value
>>>>> doesn't prevent you from making your own copy, which could then escape
>>>>> the scope that was guaranteeing safety.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is fixable, of course, but it's a more significant change to the
>>>>> type and how it would be used.
>>>> 
>>>> It sounds like you're saying that, to get static safety benefits from
>>>> ownership, we'll need a whole parallel universe of safe move-only
>>>> types. Seems a cryin' shame.
>>> 
>>> We've discussed the possibility of types being able to control their 
>>> "borrowed" representation. Even if this isn't something we generalize, 
>>> arrays and contiguous buffers might be important enough to the language 
>>> that your safe BufferPointer could be called 'borrowed ArraySlice<T>', with 
>>> the owner backreference optimized out of the borrowed representation. 
>>> Perhaps Array's own borrowed representation would benefit from acting like 
>>> a slice rather than a whole-buffer borrow too.
>> 
>> The disadvantage of doing this is that it much more heavily penalizes the 
>> case where we actually do a copy from a borrowed reference — it becomes an 
>> actual array copy, not just a reference bump.
> 
> Fair point, though the ArraySlice/Array dichotomy strikes me as already kind 
> of encouraging this—you might pass ArraySlices down into your algorithm, but 
> we encourage people to use Array at storage and API boundaries, forcing 
> copies.

Fair point.  In practice, though, I think most algorithms won't need to 
"escape" that array slice.

> From a philosophical perspective of making systems Swift feel like "the same 
> language" as Swift today, it feels better to me to try to express this as 
> making our high-level safe abstractions efficient rather than making our 
> low-level unsafe abstractions safe. Given our short-term goals for the borrow 
> model as I understand them, I don't think we can really make a 
> BufferPointer-like type safe in the way Dave is suggesting, since the pointer 
> fields *inside* the struct need to be first class lifetime-qualified rather 
> than the value of the struct itself. Since Array and ArraySlice already 
> communicate an ownership stake in the memory they reference, a borrowed Array 
> or ArraySlice value *would* safely and efficiently provide access to 
> contiguous memory with only support for first-order borrowed/consumed 
> property declarations and not full first class lifetime support.

I agree.

John.
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