---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ethin Probst <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:43:59 -0600 Subject: Re: [swift-evolution] [Discussion] mailing list alternative To: Joshua Alvarado <[email protected]>
If you guys desire it, I'd be happy to host a forum for you all. You'll have to give me a weak or two to get it fully set-up and stuff, but once that's one, we can slowly, but surely, move there. Registration will, of course, be free, as everything else is. On 1/23/17, Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution <[email protected]> wrote: > + 3 Disclosure > + 1 Slack > + 1 Issue Tracker > > Jarod, I completely agree on your points. Changing from email threads will > help participation and tracking threads. > > The email threads work in favor for those who have figured out how to use > them. I am usually seeing only the same people participating over and over > and not to many new new people(I could be wrong here). I don't believe this > accurately reflects the whole Swift community as it is really big. Let's > allow others to get their thoughts in. That is why I really would like for > this conversation to be at the forefront. > > Alvarado, Joshua > >> On Jan 23, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Jarod Long <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Another +1 for Discourse. I'd like to participate more, but the mailing >> list format is difficult for me to use. >> >> I've gone through three email clients since swift-evolution started (Apple >> Mail, then Airmail, and now Spark), and they work well enough for general, >> simple email usage, but the mailing list experience has been poor enough >> to discourage me from participating. Threads get split all the time -- >> right now I see four separate threads for the "Strings in Swift 4" >> discussion. I'd need to click around each of them to get the entire >> discussion and piece together the chronology manually, and if I want to >> participate I need to somehow determine which thread is the correct one to >> reply to. >> >> I appreciate the philosophy of the mailing list, but I really think that >> forum software would work much better from a practical standpoint. >> >> I think a chat service like Slack could be useful as well, but not as a >> replacement for something like a forum. A forum works much better for >> long-form, asynchronous discussions. >> >> Jarod >> >>> On Jan 23, 2017, 09:59 -0800, Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution >>> <[email protected]>, wrote: >>> It will be painted! ;) >>> >>> So far we have: >>> +2 Disclosure >>> +1 Slack >>> +1 Issue tracker >>> >>> Let's really get everyone's opinions and see if we can get this rock >>> rolling towards a better solution. Of course it will be Apple's choice in >>> the end but we can give a voice on the matter to show we do care about >>> moving over. >>> >>> Alvarado, Joshua >>> >>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:55 AM, David Waite <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> As long as we are pretending this bike shed is getting painted again… >>>> >>>> I would actually prefer something closer to an issue tracker than >>>> discourse. We get a lot of repeat and diverging topics, and it would be >>>> nice to mark discussions as related, duplicates, etc >>>> >>>> -DW >>>> >>>>> On Jan 23, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Adrian Zubarev via swift-evolution >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> +1 for Discourse. Cannot wait any longer for this to happen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Adrian Zubarev >>>>> Sent with Airmail >>>>> >>>>> Am 23. Januar 2017 um 17:18:42, Joshua Alvarado via swift-evolution >>>>> ([email protected]) schrieb: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey swifters, >>>>>> I would like to (re)open up discussion on moving away from email for >>>>>> the swift evolution mailing list. I know this has probably been >>>>>> discussed before but it really should be addressed again. I wouldn't >>>>>> even know how to find if it has been discussed before because it would >>>>>> be too hard to go back through the history. >>>>>> >>>>>> The main factors to move away from email is because email may deter >>>>>> newcomers, history, and threads. I may be speaking for myself when >>>>>> saying email may intimidate newcomers from expressing their opinions >>>>>> and thoughts. It is hard to know what has already been discussed and >>>>>> who is even in the active conversation. Keeping track of history is a >>>>>> pain as well. Searching through many emails to find who said what and >>>>>> when is not effective in email clients. Also, code formatting in >>>>>> emails is not effective. Let's discuss and actually make an action to >>>>>> move away from email if the community so agrees. Of course, >>>>>> recommendations are Slack, Hipchat (-1), and Gitter. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Joshua Alvarado >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> swift-evolution mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> swift-evolution mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> swift-evolution mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution > -- Signed, Ethin D. Probst -- Signed, Ethin D. 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