> On Jul 31, 2017, at 7:10 AM, John McCall via swift-evolution > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Jul 30, 2017, at 11:43 PM, Daryle Walker <[email protected]> wrote: >> The parameters for a fixed-size array type determine the type's size/stride, >> so how could the bounds not be needed during compile-time? The compiler >> can't layout objects otherwise. > > Swift is not C; it is perfectly capable of laying out objects at run time. > It already has to do that for generic types and types with resilient members. > That does, of course, have performance consequences, and those performance > consequences might be unacceptable to you; but the fact that we can handle it > means that we don't ultimately require a semantic concept of a constant > expression, except inasmuch as we want to allow users to explicitly request > guarantees about static layout.
Doesn't this defeat the purpose of generic value parameters? We might as well use a regular parameter if there's no compile-time evaluation involved. In that case, fixed-sized arrays will be useless, because they'll be normal arrays with resizing disabled. As far as I know, the pinnacle of uses for fixed-size arrays is having a compile-time pre-allocated space of the necessary size (either literally at compile-time if that's a static variable, or added to the pre-computed offset of the stack pointer in case of a local variable). > Value equality would still affect the type-checker, but I think we could > pretty easily just say that all bound expressions are assumed to potentially > resolve unequally unless they are literals or references to the same 'let' > constant. Shouldn't the type-checker use the Equatable protocol conformance to test for equality? Moreover, as far as I know, Equatable is not recognized by the compiler in any way, so it's just a regular protocol. What would make it special? Some types would implement operator == to compare themselves to other types, that's beyond the scope of Equatable. What about those? And how are custom operator implementations going to serve this purpose at compile-time? Or will it just ignore the semantics of the type and reduce it to a sequence of bits? Or maybe only a few hand-picked types will be supported? The seemingly simple generic value parameter concept gets vastly complicated and/or poorly designed without an elaborate compile-time execution system... Unless I'm missing an obvious way out. > The only hard constraint is that types need to be consistent, but that just > means that we need to have a model in which bound expressions are evaluated > exactly once at runtime (and of course typically folded at compile time). What exactly would it take to be able to execute select piece of code at compile-time? Taking the AST, converting it to LLVM IR and feeding it to the MCJIT engine seems to be easy enough. But I'm pretty sure it's more tricky than that. Is there a special assumption or two made about the code that prevents this from happening? > John. > >> Or do you mean that the bounds are integer literals? (That's what I have in >> the design document now.) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 30, 2017, at 8:51 PM, John McCall <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> On Jul 29, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Daryle Walker via swift-evolution >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> The “constexpr” facility from C++ allows users to define constants and >>>> functions that are determined and usable at compile-time, for compile-time >>>> constructs but still usable at run-time. The facility is a key step for >>>> value-based generic parameters (and fixed-size arrays if you don’t want to >>>> be stuck with integer literals for bounds). Can figuring out Swift’s story >>>> here be part of Swift 5? >>> >>> Note that there's no particular reason that value-based generic parameters, >>> including fixed-size arrays, actually need to be constant expressions in >>> Swift. >>> >>> John. > > _______________________________________________ > swift-evolution mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution _______________________________________________ swift-evolution mailing list [email protected] https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution
