> On Oct 9, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Vladimir.S via swift-evolution
> <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote:
>
> On 07.10.2017 20:17, Nevin Brackett-Rozinsky via swift-evolution wrote:
>> Two weeks ago I had a fairly strong opinion about “private extension”
>> behavior. After following this discussion, I now have no opinion on the
>> matter.
>> I would summarize the points on both sides as follows:
>> For the change:
>> • It is surprising to many people that members of a private extension are
>> implicitly fileprivate. > • There is currently no way to make an extension
>> whose members default to private.
>
> I'd add this:
> * Current rule for 'private extension' can lead to bugs, when you expect that
> private methods will be 'true' private but they are fileprivate, so could be
> called from not-expected code in the same file. Inverse situation(when you
> need fileprivate but 'private extension' means 'true' private) - can't cause
> bugs, you'll be notified by the compiler if you need a 'wider' access level.
> * The change will make the access-control rule for extensions simpler, not
> harder to understand.
> * 'fileprivate' access level for methods in extension will be used by
> *intention*, not just because "this is how 'private extension' works". If I
> understand correctly, it is not the 'fileprivate' *keyword* we want to see
> less, but the fileprivate *access level*, which should be rare and
> intentional.
Top level private *is* private. Swift did not make a distinction between top
level private and fileprivate so why should the programmer have to choose?
If you explicitly declare something private at the top level you are going to
get fileprivate semantics. This is how scope private works. If you disagree
then that is a different conversation I think. If you wish for these not have
an overlap then that is definitely a different proposal?
>
>> Against the change:
>> • The proposal is source-breaking.
>> • The proposal makes “fileprivate” more common.
>
> It depends on what most of Swift developers *mean* when writing 'private
> extension' - if they actually need 'fileprivate extension' - then yes, we'll
> see it more in code. But if in most cases the *intention* is to have a bunch
> of 'true private' methods - we'll have a small number of 'fileprivate
> extension'.
> But in any case, what is the problem with this? If developer *needs*
> fileprivate access level for methods in extension - this will be clearly
> stated in code, not hidden under the cute title of 'private extension'
>
>> • A private extension and a (top-level) private type both currently have
>> implicitly fileprivate members. The proposal breaks that symmetry.
>
> Is it really good symmetry?
> By definition, the rule for applying the access level to type is differ from
> the rule for extension. Here all symmetry already broken and we have 2
> separate rules. And from my point of view, having a symmetry in *this
> particular* case is a bad thing, it can lead to wrong assumptions. Don't you
> want to apply the same 'symmetry' rule for the code below ? :
I would be totally on board with making extensions work the same as types. So
instead of enforcing a default ACL, the extension would work the same way as a
type by just declaring the upper bound. This would effectively only allow
extension to lower the upper bound while still making the default ACL to
internal. This would also be a breaking change for public extensions that
assume their members to be public. I believe that the behavior of public
extension is more harmful and more likely to cause bugs because you are
exposing a public API and may not be aware of it. This would remove the ability
of open types to be extended with a default ACL of public. The same would
happen to public types that are being extended with public modifier.
The below would be symmetrical but now public extension are essentially the
same as just extension without the modifier.
open class MyOpenClass {}
public extension MyOpenClass { // upper bound public
func myFunc(){} // default internal, upperbound higher it stays internal.
}
internal extension MyOpenClass { // upper bound internal
func myFunc2(){} // default internal
}
fileprivate extension MyOpenClass { // upper bound fileprivate
func myFunc3(){} // default internal but lowered to fileprivate
}
private extension MyOpenClass { // upper bound toplevel private
func myFunc4(){} // default internal but lowered to toplevel private
}
>
> public class C {
> var i = 10
> }
>
> public extension C {
> func j(){}
> }
>
> ,as you understand 'i' is internal, while 'j()' is public. So this could be a
> dangerous assumption.
>
>
>> Notable questions:
>> • Currently “open” cannot be applied to an extension at all, should we allow
>> it?
>
> Probably. But this should be a separate pitch/proposal.
>
>> • Might we ever want to allow nested (non-top level) extensions, and if so
>> how should access levels on them work?
>
> Not sure if we need them, this is also a subject for separate pitch/proposal.
> But if the rule for applying the access level for extension will be as
> currently(I don't believe we'll change it soon) - nested extensions should
> work the same "the access level keyword stated before the 'extension' keyword
> will be virtually copy&pasted to the beginning of each method declaration
> inside extension and then resolved", IMO this is a most clear rule we can
> have *in case rule for extensions is differ from rule for type”.
“keyword will be virtually copy&pasted “ sound to me more like extension
should take a parameter like ‘extension(private)’ or similar. Explicit
declaration of a keyword should take precedence at the location that it was
declare.
>
> Vladimir.
>
>> Nevin
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