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> On Jan 3, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Dave DeLong <sw...@davedelong.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Matthew Johnson <matt...@anandabits.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Dave DeLong <sw...@davedelong.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Kevin Nattinger <sw...@nattinger.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>         2️⃣ If the enum is NOT decorated with @frozen, then I, as an 
>>>>>>> app author, have to account for the possibility that the module may 
>>>>>>> update from underneath my app, and I have to handle an unknown case. 
>>>>>>> This is simple: the compiler should require me to add a “default:” case 
>>>>>>> to my switch statement. This warning is produced IFF: the enum is 
>>>>>>> coming from an external module, and the enum is not decorated with 
>>>>>>> @frozen.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This does not help people who need to write a switch statement over an 
>>>>>> enum vended by a module that ships with the OS keep their code up to 
>>>>>> date as the module adds new cases. I find the example of 
>>>>>> `SKPaymentTransactionState` provided by Brent Royal-Gordon here: 
>>>>>> https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/Week-of-Mon-20170904/039512.html
>>>>>>  to be compelling.  There are rare but legitimate reasons to switch over 
>>>>>> all known cases of a non-@frozen enum that ship with the OS.  These use 
>>>>>> cases deserve proper language support.  I think Jordan’s solution 
>>>>>> strikes a good balance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I disagree that more is needed. In the case of the transaction state, it 
>>>>> should not be marked as @moana, and so the compiler would force you to 
>>>>> add a “default” case to your switch statements. The switch statements 
>>>>> would still be exhaustive with all known cases (if you choose to handle 
>>>>> all known cases), but you’d still need a default case because there might 
>>>>> be new transaction states in the future.
>>>> 
>>>> And then you don't get the compiler error/warning when you start compiling 
>>>> against the next OS update that changes the enum. That is an absolutely 
>>>> unacceptable loss of compile-time checks.
>>> 
>>> Ah, that’s an excellent point! Thanks for pointing that out.
>>> 
>>> In that case, I revise my proposal:
>>> 
>>> 1️⃣ a @frozen/@tangled/@moana attribute for enums that’s only consulted on 
>>> externally-linked modules
>>> 2️⃣ a “future case:” statement that’s only required on externally-linked, 
>>> non-@moana enums. That way, if the enum adds a new case in the future, 
>>> you’ll still get a switch warning about handling all the cases. And then if 
>>> you want, you could “fallthrough” from this to a “default” case, or 
>>> vice-versa, or have separate implementations.
>> 
>> It sounds to me like the main thing you’re unhappy about is having to deal 
>> with unknown cases when you have a source dependency that you always build 
>> and ship with an app.  I don’t think anyone is happy with that situation.  
> 
> That’s definitely part of it. The other main part is that I’m hugely 
> resistant to adding extraneous syntax when a solution that’s simpler for 
> users exists.

That’s fair.  If we didn’t have a compelling motivating example I would be more 
reluctant about the need to add syntax here, but we do have such an example.

> 
>> Did you take a look at the sketch of a solution provided by John McCall?  
>> https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/Week-of-Mon-20171218/042333.html
> 
> I’ve read that email several times and don’t understand how it relates.

I should have also linked to his previous email.  Does this one help clarify 
what he has in mind?  
https://lists.swift.org/pipermail/swift-evolution/Week-of-Mon-20171218/042329.html

> 
> Dave
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