The feature this thread is about, indexing while building. I’m of the opinion that, if a feature needs to be integrated with the Swift compiler, as this one was, development of that integration should be done in the open. Perhaps I misunderstand how this feature is separated between the compiler and higher level tools, but avoiding a month long mismatch between the open source and Apple versions, one which prevents open source snapshots from working in Xcode at all, is a good thing, no?
Jon > On Jul 4, 2017, at 11:14 PM, Jonathan Prescott <jprescot...@icloud.com> wrote: > > I’m curious what Swift features you think Apple is developing internally that > is not being done concurrently as part of, or totally within, the open-source > project. To me, everything that is the compiler(s), debugger, standard > librarIes, package manager are all being constructed completely within the > open-source community (both LLVM/CLang and Swift). All of the Xcode pieces > you explicitly mentioned (the source code editor, the build system, for > example) are all part of the Xcode application, and should be developed by > Apple as part of their product offering to whatever level of privacy they > desire. And, the iPad Playgrounds Application is Apple-proprietary as well. > > What components/Swift features are you concerned about? > > Just asking. > > Jonathan > >> On Jul 4, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Jon Shier via swift-users <swift-users@swift.org >> <mailto:swift-users@swift.org>> wrote: >> >> Xcode 9 fixes my biggest complaint about Xcode, which was the text >> editor. The new one, based off the one used in the Playgrounds iPad app, is >> far better in pretty much every way than the old one. It’s still missing >> features (which should be added by release) but I use it as much as I can. >> It still suffers from some of the same issues as the old editor, namely that >> its functionality breaks almost completely when SourceKit crashes, which is >> really annoying for stuff like syntax highlighting and auto indentation, >> since it seems like that stuff shouldn’t break when that happens. But it >> recovers a bit better now from those situations. The new build system is >> also really nice, though largely invisible. >> I do find it concerning that Apple is developing Swift features >> internally, which is rather antithetical to open source development and >> leads to painful transition periods like this where Apple’s version and the >> open source version are out of sync. It really doesn’t seem necessary for >> these features to be developed privately. I would hope the Swift project >> takes a more WebKit-like approach to these features, where all features are >> developed in the open source branch, with only the SPI integration private >> to Apple. Features like the content filters shipped last year were fully >> visible in the open source tree long before WWDC. It would be better for >> Swift to develop all of these features in the open. >> >> >> >> Jon >> >>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 9:05 PM, David Baraff via swift-users >>> <swift-users@swift.org <mailto:swift-users@swift.org>> wrote: >>> >>> How is xcode9 beta going in general? I would dearly love to start using >>> the new Codable stuff, and I don’t have to really worry about swift 3 >>> compatability — it’s just a question of the xcode 9 beta being safe enough >>> to get work done. >>> >>> (The fact that “yank” was broken makes it a non-starter for me but i’m kind >>> of hoping it gets fixed soon.) >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Anders Hasselqvist via swift-users >>>> <swift-users@swift.org <mailto:swift-users@swift.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I've been trying to use the swift4 snapshot toolchains with Xcode9 beta >>>> with little success. >>>> >>>> When building I get the error: >>>> " >>>> <unknown>:0: error: unknown argument: '-index-store-path' >>>> Command >>>> /Library/Developer/Toolchains/swift-4.0-DEVELOPMENT-SNAPSHOT-2017-06-29-a.xctoolchain/usr/bin/swiftc >>>> failed with exit code 1 >>>> " >>>> >>>> I believe that this because of missing "indexing while building" support >>>> in the open source swift in the currently available snapshots. (The >>>> feature was merged just a few days ago: >>>> https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/10726 >>>> <https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/10726>) >>>> >>>> Is there a way to disable "indexing while building" in Xcode9? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Anders >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> swift-users mailing list >>>> swift-users@swift.org <mailto:swift-users@swift.org> >>>> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-users >>>> <https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-users> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> swift-users mailing list >>> swift-users@swift.org <mailto:swift-users@swift.org> >>> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-users >>> <https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-users> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> swift-users mailing list >> swift-users@swift.org <mailto:swift-users@swift.org> >> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-users >
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