hi andy

> Unless you are implying "too unstable FOR ME", then I disagree:
> there are plenty of well-managed, sensible DNSBLs in existence.
> Sorting them from the insane ones can be hard, it requires research,
> and they don't all work the same way or suit the same needs.
> There's no such thing as a magic bullet.

i didnt wanted to offend somebody.
what i ment with unstable was (and of course from my personal point of
view), that we've seen enough DNSBLs closing down in the last some months
(due attack or whatever). e.g. easynet.nl list (doesnt exists), monkeys
(closed down), sorbs (seems to be back, was under heavy attack last year
afaik), orbz.org (which is now a porn site??) and so on.

i know, there are many other (and for sure) well managed other blacklists
(and we use some of them) like ordb.org, spamhaus, visi.com, etc.and some
blacklists are (for me) just not quite useful (like blacklists which are
collectiong a whole bunch of dialup ip's etc. - i've made a bad experience
after having 3-5 calls from customers each day complaining about not getting
all their mails from abroad [and i dont want to start here a discussion
about running a public mail server in a dialup/dynamic enviroment, because
they can use the ISP's mailserver]).

i think it's quite hard for each of us deciding which RBL to use and which
not. some have a very high level (which could have a too hight amount of
false positives) and some not.

> It should also be pointed out that _although you personally may not
> have noticed_, bl.spamcop.net is a DNSBL based on the opinions of
> its human contributors and has been known to make mistakes.  If that
> level of false positive is okay with you then that's fine, but it
> probably won't be for some other people, which is why everyone
> should research what they use based on their own needs.

in the last 1-2 years (which i'm using spamcop) i never had a single
complaint from a customer. so i thought, that this level was not bad. i
know, that anyone can parse anything thru spamcop. i recently got a spamcop
report about someone who reportet a mail he wrote and sent to himself ,-)
i think (for me) the level is ok with the RBL's i'm using. the rest should
do spamassassin :)


> Full disclosure: I maintain a public DNSBL.

yes, i've seen opm.  (for those, never seen it: http://opm.blitzed.org).


so, and now time for bed :)

-steven

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