Have you tried to run this exe on a machine without a JRE?
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Chris wrote: > > Well I had a little Java swing program, about 5kb .jar file. And when I > asked it to, JBuilder7 converted it into a .exe of about 70kb, that > didn't appear to require the JRE. How it works I don't know, but it > seems to work. There's also the option of Linux and Sun/Sparc native > executeables. > > > Costas I. Stergiou wrote: > > >Hi Chris, > >I don't think JBuilder can produce executables (native). Actually, > >no java app can be converted to an executable unless the executable > >contains the whole JRE within. I am also using JBuilder from version 2 > >and I would agree that it's interface is quite good but still lacks > >the native L&F. On the other hand, JBuilder is really faster than > >other Java apps, an to be honest I have always wondered what Borland > >has hacked into to make this happen, but I am sure that the code > >that is produces is pure java classes with the usual behaviour. > > > >What I said is just an opinion though and a personal choice from > >my experience until now. Remember, I am primary a Java programmer (I > >have JBuidler in me screen as I write this e-mail, I am at work now) > >but I still believe that java is (unfortunately) not the way to go for a > >windows GUI. > > > >I am really new to this list/project so my opinion should not be > >considered highly. I am happy though to participate in this conversation. > >Thanks, > >Costas > > > >On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Chris wrote: > > > > > > > >>I personally would sacrifice windows L&F for the cross-platform ability. > >>Plus, JBuilder can produce native executables. I havn't tried > >>benchmarking them, > >>but I presume the JBuilder environment itself uses it, and it is very > >>snappy. > >> > >>Costas I. Stergiou wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Actually, my full time job is java dev and it is really my > >>>favorite language for many reasons. > >>>Well, the reason I would > >>>not suggest java is because it is slow in the GUI, and does not provide > >>>a real windows look and feel. All the Java GUI programs I have used are > >>>indeed a bit slow and out of the windows feel. Also the JVM is not > >>>standard within windows. It would have been much easier for me to > >>>do my own work in Java (and I would have done in half the time propably) > >>>but I think that every language is good at some stuff and windows GUI > >>>is not what Java is for. I think that if you compare a native win GUI > >>>with any Java GUI (look, responsiveness, etc) you will agree that the > >>>diferrences are quite noteable. > >>> > >>>Costas > >>> > >>>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Costas I. Stergiou wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Some months ago I started on a software for personal use that would > >>>>>help in bible study. Since my best knowledge is in Java (5 years now) > >>>>>I started the implementation with it. Very soon I realized the (obvious) > >>>>>fact that Java is NOT for the Desktop. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Why? My full time job is writing Java desktop (gui) software. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I thought of VB (where I also have > >>>>>experience) but I quickly dropped the idea since the code it > >>>>>produces is really slow. I ended up with Delphi (since it is really > >>>>>easier than C++) and now i have made a first version of a windows > >>>>>software for bible study. One of the reasons I didn't go with some > >>>>>of the already existing software is because none of these are quite > >>>>>good at searching/handling greek text (I am Greek) and none of these > >>>>>had a modern Greek translation which is the one most commonly used > >>>>>here in Greece. Also personal notes was really important and no sw > >>>>>gave real significance to that issue. > >>>>> > >>>>>I am married with one child, and my responsibilities leave my with > >>>>>few time to work on this project. I would be really happy though if > >>>>>I could help anyhow with this idea. I have recently put up a site > >>>>>with the software which (unfortunately?) is in greek, though I have > >>>>>made an english version of the software. If anyone would like to > >>>>>check it out here is the link for the english version of the > >>>>>software: http://www.theword.gr/bin/theword-en-0.99-full.exe > >>>>> > >>>>>I would be really happy if I could help out here in any way, either by > >>>>>giving the code, some ideas on the platform or anything else I > >>>>>could help with. I could also give some ideas about the Java platform > >>>>>since it is my everyday work for years now. > >>>>> > >>>>>Thanks, > >>>>>Costas > >>>>>(once more, excuse me for my bad english) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Jason Turner wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Personally I'd rather see a Java version than .NET. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>So, to get to my point, I was considering writing a new UI in .NET. However, > >>>>>>>.NET cannot utilize native C++ libraries. It can use Managed C++, C#, ActiveX > >>>>>>>DLL's and native C libraries. Since I cannot use the Sword API as it stands, > >>>>>>>I was considering reimplementing a subset of it in .NET, and then building > >>>>>>>the UI on top of that. Of course releasing the whole thing under the GPL. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>So, I'm looking for comments. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Is there > >>>>>>>anything that I have missed? Should I take a closer look at Diatheke or > >>>>>>>ActiveDiatheke? Is someone else already working on a new Windows client? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Thanks. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Jason Turner > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>On Monday 10 March 2003 09:27 pm, David Trotz wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>No the windows version does not allow this. Certain versions of the bible > >>>>>>>>will automatically break the paragraph into seperate lines per verse, but > >>>>>>>>other than that the answer is no. Sorry. It may be added someday. David > >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>From: Christopher Frazier > >>>>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:52 PM > >>>>>>>>Subject: [sword-devel] UI for Windows Question... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>I've been looking everywhere for this, and since I haven't found the > >>>>>>>>archive to the lists, I guess I have to ask it here: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>How do you view the Bible text one verse per line in Sword for > >>>>>>>>Windows?!? BibleTime does this in an obvious way, but I cannot figure > >>>>>>>>this out at all in Windows. Does the program do this at all? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>TIA! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Chris > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>sword-devel mailing list > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>sword-devel mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >sword-devel mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
