Thanks for pointing me to the screenshots. These ideas are pretty good.
I am a bit critical though in the choice of the options that this
application offers. I think that it would be more useful to give the
user the option to specify which part of the bible to search than do
regular expressions or case-sensitive searches. But I can be wrong here
of course.
Nope, you are probably correct. I can't think of the last time I did a regex or case-sensitive search on the Z.
I was thinking of the following options:
Search: - whole bible - this testament - this book
In the Windows frontend, we allow defining of custom ranges and save them in a .conf. We supply a series of predefined ranges in the .conf file upon install. I don't think we need a facility to let the user define their own range, but we could use the same code for reading the predefined ranges as in the windows frontend. Here is what we ship.
[CustomRanges] Gospels=Mat-John History=Jos-Est Letters/Epistles=Rom-Jude Moses/Pentateuch/Torah=Gen-Deu New Testament=mat-rev Old Testament=gen-mal Paul's Epistles=Rom-Phile;Heb Poetry and Wisdom=Job-Song; Lam Prophets=Isa-Mal
And having a few hardcoded 'logical' definitions, like 'Current Book' is a great idea, as well.
What do you think?
And maybe offer the 'multi word' and 'exact phrase' options. Do these options sound likely to be used, and can the api fulfill this?
Yes, the api has support for all of these options.
What I also wanted to ask is if there is an alternative way to load a whole chapter. The verse-by-verse approach is very slow
I suspect this is not the speed issue. Have you tried turning Strong's numbers on? You will notice the speed greatly degrades. Having Strong's numbers ON actually improves the speed of the engine code. (The numbers are always in the text. Turning them OFF requires stripping them out). My suspision is that the display in the HTML control is the speed problem. I would suggest testing this by changing the final line that populates the HTML control with a small string:
- addHtml(htmlControl, text.c_str()); + addHtml(htmlControl, L"Test String");
and, for
example, paragraph-ends are omitted.
Paragraph ends should not be omitted. If there is a paragraph break in the text, there should be HTML tags that represent these.
If you know of a way to upgrade
this, please feel free to do so.
I only see a speed problem on my end where there are a number of links in the text. I was thinking of a few ways to improve this:
a) only show strongs/morph on the current verse (and maybe previous/next verse-- so 3 verses).
b) show less than 1 chapter at a time
I can't think of anything else offhand right now. Keep me posted if you have any ideas.
We are making some good progress. Do you think it is time to start designing a little website?
yes! I hope we can release something public with version 1.5.8 of our engine, which should be in a month or so. Before releasing, I would personally like to add support for all 4 types of books we support: Bibles (already done), Commentaries (very simple, just only show current verse, not the whole chapter), Lexicon, and General Books.
The last 2 will require a little thinking. They are easier to display (only the current entry, don't need to iterate and build the display text), but the navigation may be a little harder. In qpsword, we have this concept:
a navigation key control.
When displaying a Bible or commentary, this is the Book/Chapter/Verse controls. I like your navigation better. It's much easier to jump to a location with your navigator-- I think because it display the entire domain for each subsection, all on the screen.
When displaying a lexicon, this is a simple edit box that does an incremental lookup as you type.
When displaying a general book, it is a 'path' textbox, with an expand button.. e.g. [Topic 3/Chapter 1/Section V/][*]
If the [*] button is pressed, a tree control is displayed that shows the book's table of contents and lets the user navigate and select a new location.
This seems like a lot of work, but for me, it would be straightforward to implement if I could have the UI designed and functional. If I had the controls in place, and an example of how to populate/respond to the controls, I should be able to hook them up to the engine with no problems.
I understand that you want this to be a basic reading application. I would like to honor this desire and not show any of these controls if these types of books are not installed. I'll try to keep the interface only as cluttered as required for the books that are installed.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
-Troy.
In His grace,
Johan
PS: The problems I described in my last mail were due to me forgetting to update the sword lib as well. Sorry about that. Everything works fine, even the sword.conf.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts Sent: 02 February 2004 10:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes
Johan,
Have you seen the OPIE handheld application? Maybe the
screenshots might give you some idea on how you want to lay out the find dialog box.
We splitscreen and use the remaining text display in the top half to show the results.
http://www.crosswire.org/qpsword/#ss
I think it works out nice, but please design it how you'd like. If you get the shell done with some sample results added, I can hook the UI
up the to real search code in sword. I'm just really bad with knowing how the windows controls are designed and populated.
-Troy.
Johan Gorter wrote:
Troy,
I got the same problem with the version checked out from CVS. I solved
it by passing the '\program files\sword\books\' to the constructor of SWMgr. I do not see how it should work otherwise. The sword.conf file should probably do this, but I do not see where this file gets loaded anywhere.
Hope this helps,
Johan
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 09:23
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes
I have all my books stored on SD mem, so my directories look something like:
\SD Card\mods.d\kjv.conf \SD Card\modules\texts\ztext\kjv\...
Hope this helps. Basically just unzip the raw module download packages
(maintaining their directory structure) to either the root of the
memory
card, or the \Program Files\sword\books\
Don't forget to restart the app as stated in last email.
Hope this helps, -Troy.
Dan Bertles wrote:
Troy,
Haven't been able to get storage card to work. Do I store modules in separate directories on the storage card or at the root.
Do I create/copy kjv.conf to that directory or do I refer to the path in a mods.conf or a kjv.conf in the mods.d directory?
Thanks for your help.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 2:02 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [sword-devel] New Test, CE: strongs, morph, footnotes
Added very basic support for display of Strong's, Morph, and Footnotes
in a simple message box. It uses StripText right now, but we probably
should use RenderText and display in an HTML control. But... it works
ok right now. :) Also added an additional AugmentPath= to the .conf
file. It seems my device uses "\SD Card" as the mount point whereas another device I tried the other day uses "\Memory Card". They're
both
in there now.
http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip
-Troy.
Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
Well, sorry to announce new packages twice so soon. I've redone the
utf8->utf16 converters and we seem to get greek now. Hebrew doesn't
seem to work yet, but it might be a font issue. I'm taking a break now.
Blessings, -Troy.
http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip
Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
One more that should fix the last bug better, and also adds a popup menu for toggle of simple options like Strong's, etc.
http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip
Dan, be sure you're copying BOTH the sword.dll and the gui.exe from
the .zip over your old files, and be sure you stop the process from running on your device BEFORE attempting to overwrite:
Start|Settings|System|Memory|Running Programs|*SwRd|Stop
Hope this helps; keep me posted, -Troy.
Dan Bertles wrote:
Troy,
It acts exactly the same as before. NASB works fine, KJV is invisible.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] New Test: Windows CE interface
Ok guys, I have a new CE binary ready for testing. Did some debugging on the KJV that indeed wasn't showing up, and found that
we
were returning null occasionally from XMLTag::getName() -- must have
invalid markup. So, we must check for .getName() == null first before sending it to strcmp.
http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip
Anyway, the sword libs have been updated and the KJV seems to work ok now for me.
I think we still have a problem with UTF-16. I'll try to have a look at
our UTF8 to UTF16 filters soon and see if we can get things resolved. I
figured out that you can specify the font in the HTML source stylesheet,
so there is a line commented out that hardcodes code2000 in there. Maybe we can make the font selectable for individual modules.
Well, try it out and let us know. If you're programming, be sure to
update both the sword and swordreader cvs modules.
God's blessings, -Troy A. Griffitts.
Dan Bertles wrote:
Troy,
Ok, I followed everything religiously, without my quirks of trying to maintain old file structures. This build won't read KJV where
it
would before. Note: the KJV does have notes that showed in italics. It reads the NASB module fine.
Program Files\sword\books has 3 subdirectories (mods.d, nasb and kjv)
mods.d has 3 files (nasb.conf, kjv.conf and globals.conf)
I need the datapath statement in each modules conf file for them to
work.
The globals.conf file is empty?
Thoughts?
Dan
P.S. http://palmtops.about.com/library/bltips9.htm says to install fonts:
Tip: To install new fonts on you iPaq, copy the true type font file
from you desktop windows\fonts directory into your iPaq's
windows\fonts directory.
Ipaqs are supposed to handle Unicode already.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Troy A.
Griffitts
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Windows CE interface
Dan,
Yeah, the layout has changed now that we use the SWORD library defaults. Also, it's not the same as the windows frontend. I have
books placed in the 'books' folder now, so sword.conf will be used
to find them AND books on SD/MMC cards. If you read the INSTALL.txt in
the
zip file, it will explain the preferred layout, and the .zip file contains the correct subdirectories, so you should unzip it and
preserve
directories.
What you show below includes a few workarounds that should not
be
necessary any longer. So, I would recommend removing \Program Files\sword and starting over with the zip file (and reading the INSTALL.txt)
Also, I can't confirm that these modules actually work. I've
tried
BHS, ASV, and WHNU, and all seem to lookup fine. I still have font
issues, but for the ASV, I get readable text, and the other 2 I get
the
correct number of [] boxes :) Hoping someone can tell me how to use other fonts on CE.
Hope this helps. Keep me posted on your progress, -Troy.
D. Bertles wrote:
Troy,
I can't get this version to find the modules.
My mods.conf contains: [NASB] DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/nasb/ ...
[KJV] DataPath=modules/texts/ztext/kjv/ ...
sword.conf contains: [Install] DataPath=/Program Files/sword/modules
The build before this one works fine, but not this one. I tried to maintain the directory structure for the Windows version.
Dan
Quoting "Troy A. Griffitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
For anyone interested, I feel I am at a good solid point for supporting the latest SWORD engine on CE.
All my changes are checked in if anyone wants to play.
Here's a build for testers:
http://crosswire.org/~scribe/swordce.zip
There are install instructions in the zip file.
Books should be recognized from SD/MMC cards now, as well.
Thanks for all the great work and effort people have put into
this,
so far! Hoping developers with better CE UI development skills than me will make this a really cool application! Johan, thank you so
much!
-Troy.
Johan Gorter wrote:
Hello all,
I have just made some progress on the windows CE user interface for sword. The text is now displayed through the built-in browser, so
it can
do some more layout-things. I have made a screen shot for everyone
who
is interested to see what the program looks like right now. (and
what an
IPAQ looks like)
http://home.student.utwente.nl/j.gorter/SwordReader/
I have a question about the thml filters:
I use the thmlhtml filter to generate the HTML to display. How can
I get
the html formatted in such a way that the notes disappear (or move somehow), that red words of Christ are turned on (when available),
and
that other features (for example centered text in songs) are also
shown?
I hope someone can help me out here.
My (and I have faith it is also His) planning on the rest of the
project
is like this:
version 0.5 - The first version that I emailed to the list version 0.6 - The update version that I sent version 0.7 - this version (Source and compiled version in
http://ozy.student.utwente.nl/~drsoong/SwordReader0.7.zip)
version 0.8 - The find page implemented
version 0.9 - The first real beta version: downloadable from a
webpage,
a normal installer, an about screen, etc
Greetings from the Netherlands,
Johan
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