Ultimately, anything you can see on screen can be copied and converted to other useful formats, technically, if not legally. Ease of doing so may vary greatly with the application. Any Bible study program that is any good supports text export and copy & paste functions, but you may have to do it a chapter at a time and add markup manually. (That is much easier than doing screen captures and running the resulting images through OCR software.) In the case of Libronix modules, it is probably a violation of the DMCA to convert whole books. Direct conversion of the Libronix modules is a possibility, too, but the format of those modules are protected by trade secret law as well as copyright. (Making a trade secret known doesn't cancel the effect of the law.) If the text of a Libronix module happens to be public domain, it is probably also available in an unencumbered format elsewhere.

If I were convinced of the legality of a text conversion project starting with Libronix and going to OSIS, I would probably do so indirectly, going from exported text to a simpler markup like USFM or GBF that has a free converter to OSIS, then, if appropriate, adjust the OSIS to support any features that were not easy to support in the intermediate format, if any. If. That would save a lot of tedium.

I LIKE open Bible text formats (like OSIS, USFM, USFX, GBF, ThML, SWORD modules, eSword modules, etc.) for their openness, just like I like open source software and freely-copyable Bibles like the WEB.

I mentioned STEP because it was a noble effort at a common, long-lasting Bible text standard, like XSEM and OSIS... one that seems to be fading away, just like XSEM is now and OSIS will. The main difference is that OSIS has some people who are at least attempting to keep it updated by fixing part of its defects and adding features.

Patrick Durusau just finished making some edits to the OSIS User's Manual that substantially improved it OSIS. I think that will be available for download within a week or so from the official OSIS web site. If you are using OSIS, I recommend getting it and reading it when it is available. It still has some problems, with examples not matching the text very well, but it finally becomes what I would call usable when properly used.

I'm not as strongly opposed to OSIS as I was before the about-to-be-published OSIS User's Manual revision. I still think that it is unfortunate that Chris Little would like to make OSIS the only supported format for The Sword Project, as this will most likely slow development and cause problems. But-- it is an open source project, and he is free to support OSIS as much as he wants, and others are free to continue supporting existing alternatives or add support for other formats-- even if it means branching the project to a new home and a new name. The GPL is wonderful in granting freedom that way. :-) That said, if you think OSIS is a good thing for you to use, go for it. Let OSIS and its alternatives stand or fall on their own merits. My main concern is that the Word of God be published widely and accurately.

Michael
http://kahunapule.org

Greg Hellings wrote:
If Libronix supports it, you could use a copy-and-paste method into another file and then import that to SWORD - costly in time but eventually effective.  Altermatively, it is possible to convert from Libronix's format into the SWORD format.  I don't know what the copyright permissions are for Logos/Libronix files/modules.  You would definitely want to check on that - see if you are allowed to change from one format to another for your personal use.  Good luck!
 
--Greg

 
On 3/5/06, David J. Ring, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Speaking of STEP and other formats such as those used by Libronix (Logos
Bible) - with programs vanishing, it is costly for all who have invested in
electronic books rather than paper books.

I wish there was something that "if you could see it on the screen" you
could convert it to a SWORD module.

I have lots of Logos books that I can get no where else (or not all with the
same reader), and would like to get rid of the clunky and slow Libronix
interface.

I'm using the old Logos interface which is much faster - but it was
developed and worked fine under Windows 3.0 system.

Best

David Ring
Green Harbor, MA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Little" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" < sword-devel@crosswire.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] OSIS:What is the future? Who is using it now?


As for STEP (I'm not sure why this was brought up), it has a decreasing
number of supporting applications. Some of its supporters have ceased
using STEP; others have simply gone out of business. And as Michael
mentions, it has no steering committee at the moment, which makes its
future rather bleak. But STEP really has a different objective from
OSIS. They serve fairly different needs.

--Chris


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