Underline all words marked with the OSIS name element then.
Please build that into SWORD and JSword ASAP.
Agree on the conf key so that front-end developers can begin to provide UI
support.
Further functionality could be provided by means of mouseover tooltips to
display type, subType, sex, etc.
I'm sure there are other ways for touch screen devices to provide something
similar.
Best regards
David
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On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 19:54, Michael H <cma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The addpn was pre-nested tags... it provided both dotted underline and
> italicized text (or in CJK the appropriate alternate font) to indicate a
> proper name that is not in the original text. nested tags make this
> redundundant.
>
> I would suggest the underline as the proper way to mark the names. It has
> precedent in English for use as titles and proper names when italics are
> unavailable or already used to indicate something else. Most rendering
> systems have the ability to manage underlines independently of color and
> font. This will make developers lives much easier, and provide more intuitive
> reading.
>
> Bold, on the other hand has to be managed on many systems as a separate font.
> This turns into complex management of information when bold / italics /
> (sm)allcaps etc. are required.
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:12 PM, David Haslam <dfh...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My intention in marking up the names (whether persons or geographic) in the
>> DC books for the KJVA module
>> is such that SWORD and JSword developers have something to test should they
>> like the idea.
>>
>> I'd like to see front-ends such as Xiphos and PocketSword include a UI
>> options to toggle how such names are displayed.
>>
>> The simplest way for other than Far East Asian scripts (such as Chinese,
>> Korean, Japanese) would be to show marked names in bold when the option is
>> selected.
>> For all fonts that include a bold typeface, this would be ideal in the sense
>> that it would not interfere with the existing feature to display the Words
>> of Christ in red.
>>
>> USFM 3.0 now supports png_...png* as well as pn_...pn*
>> The former is intended for geographic names, the latter is for
>> non-geographic names (which for the most part are persons or person groups).
>> It should be recognised that there are several further classes of names in
>> the Bible and related literature than merely these two broad sweep
>> categories.
>>
>> In OSIS, the name element can clearly have type and subType attributes as
>> these are allowed for all XML elements.
>> It would make sense that for a name with type="person" a further attribute
>> should be sex with "male" or "female" as the expected values.
>> There are lots more ideas that I've begun to put down in my notes.
>>
>> btw. In case your weren't aware, CrossWire has its own CR edition of the
>> OSIS 2.1.1 schema.
>> This is maintained by DM Smith and can be downloaded via the link in the
>> relevant page in our wiki.
>>
>> I've also communicated some of my suggestions to Jeff Klassen at ICAP, so I
>> hope these will be well considered for USFM 3.1 or later.
>>
>> As of USFM 3.0, the undocumented markers addpn_...addpn* are now deprecated.
>> I understand that this marker pair was originally introduced to provide
>> dotted underline in Unified CJK characters.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
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>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Names, proper and geographic
>>> Local Time: 19 December 2017 6:02 PM
>>> UTC Time: 19 December 2017 18:02
>>> From: cma...@gmail.com
>>> To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel@crosswire.org>
>>>
>>> In USFM, the proper name marker [ pn ] is a feature in East asian Languages
>>> (Chinese), proper names are typographically marked (dotted underlines most
>>> frequently) to aid the reader recognizing those glyphs.
>>>
>>> That's the original use, and the intent of it's presence in OSIS. There
>>> might be others. The point is, it was originally intended as a visible
>>> marker, not metadata.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Tom Sullivan <i...@beforgiven.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter:
>>>>
>>>> To my mind, the simpler the better. I would not actually use the OSIS
>>>> markup for name. There is a potential compatibility problem with different
>>>> software. I think it would be best if one were to simply right-click on a
>>>> word, and the user would see what, if any, resources were available for
>>>> it. Such would be a more generalized solution.
>>>>
>>>> For what it is worth.
>>>>
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>>>> On 12/03/2017 05:49 PM,ref...@gmx.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OSIS offers to mark these up. There are databases and there are public
>>>>> domain texts on which one can experiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> What functionality would be a reasonable expectation associated with a
>>>>> marked up name? Potentially different presentation style, a dictionary
>>>>> link maybe? Something else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird
>>>>> autocorrects.
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