Ok, this is my interrim solution which I plan. I think it should work I will create a double module - both confs in one file, second version in the second (sub)module. Then I will create reference links from one to the other at the header of each psalm with two versions. And back again.
Peter On Sun, 2019-01-13 at 12:51 -0700, Troy A. Griffitts wrote: > A few thoughts... > How do we envisage a frontend displaying this text? Do we expect > each frontend to have special logic for displaying if there is a > variation of the chapter? Consider all the various display cases: > single Bible view, parallel Bible view, search results, etc... For > example, if this module is included in a parallel display with a > second module (say, Hebrew), what do we expect to happen if a chapter > is displayed which includes an alternative chapter? > I don't have any good ideas which avoid frontends including special > logic for something like this, which isn't reasonable. We do have at > least one other scenario which is similar: Rahlfs' LXX, which > includes alternate traditions for books. We also struggled with the > best way to capture and display this. More difficult, Ralhfs uses a > differing versification for alternate book traditions. We did proof > of concepts with adding Alt books to an LXX versification, allowing > LXX Book versifications to have enough chapter, book max to cover > either tradition, creating a single module, having 2 modules-- the > second having only the alternate traditions. I don't recall where we > left off on that or what strategy our current Rahlfs Bible uses. Our > CATSS LXX GenBook includes book traditions as 'A' and 'B', > http://crosswire.org/study/bookdisplay.jsp?mod=LXXM > But that just punts on the problem and uses GenBook because doesn't > need to solve the problem of relating 'A' and 'B' together somehow. > Just some thoughts, > Troy > > On 1/13/19 8:22 AM, David Haslam wrote: > > The best solution may be to have two SMP modules each with 150 > > Psalms; one to have the V1s and the other to have the V2s for the > > Psalms with 2 versions. > > > > NB. The canonical title should also be supplied for the Version 2. > > > > These Psalms could be given an extra technical note to explain > > further. > > > > 138 Psalms would appear exactly the same in both modules, but the > > convenience more than compensates for the duplications. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > David > > > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 14:17, David Haslam <dfh...@protonmail.com> > > wrote: > > > In response to DM, I think that's the wrong approach, as it would > > > be confusing to mix two different metres for how the same Psalm > > > was metrified in English. > > > What's required is whole chapters as 2 different variants. > > > > > > There are 25 lines containing the word 'version': > > > s2 First Version > > > s2 Second Version > > > s2 First Version (S.M.) > > > s2 Second Version > > > s2 First Version > > > s2 Second Version > > > s2 First Version > > > s2 Second Version > > > s2 First Version > > > s2 Second Version > > > s2 First Version > > > s2 Second Version > > > s2 First Version - this version was retained from the 1562 > > > English and 1564 Scottish Psalters. It is by William Kethe. > > > s2 Second Version > > > cl Psalm 102 There is also a Long Metre version below * > > > s2 First Version > > > s2 Second Version > > > s2 First Version (8.7.8.7. Iambic) > > > s2 Second Version (6.6.6.6.8.8.) This is a slightly modified > > > version of the Psalm as it first appeared in the Scottish Psalter > > > of 1564 * > > > s2 First Version (C.M.) > > > s2 Second Version (6.6.6.6.D.) > > > s2 First Version > > > s2 Second Version > > > s2 First version > > > s2 Second Version (6.6.6.6.8.8.) > > > > > > As you can see, one of these instances is simply within a note. > > > So there are in fact 12 Psalms that have a second metrical > > > version. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > David > > > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > On Saturday, 12 January 2019 13:55, ref...@gmx.net < > > > ref...@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Ah, yes, sorry > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird > > > > autocorrects. > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Second versions, Scottish Metric > > > > Psalter > > > > From: David Haslam > > > > To: DM Smith > > > > CC: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum > > > > > > > > > > > > > NB. Peter's initial message contained a broken link to > > > > > https://github.com/refdoc/The-Scottish-Metric-Psalter-1650 > > > > > > > > > > The repo is now at > > > > > https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/scottish-psalter-1650 > > > > > > > > > > i.e. In our public facing location for PD text development. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > > > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > > On Saturday, 12 January 2019 13:25, DM Smith < > > > > > dmsm...@crosswire.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If you make one module do it as variations verse by verse. > > > > > > JSword works on this basis. Each needs to be well-formed > > > > > > XML. Otherwise it will toss the markup. > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the canonical headings vary too? That might pose a > > > > > > single module problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > David and I have discussed supporting multiple KJV modules > > > > > > from a single xml doc using a filter (e.g. XSLT) to produce > > > > > > subsets. Examples, with Apocrypha, without such, long s > > > > > > variant, ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > I already have a couple of XSLT filters that others > > > > > > requested: no notes or Strong’s numbers; Plaintext. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Him, > > > > > > DM Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2019, at 7:38 AM, David Haslam < > > > > > > dfh...@protonmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Sparsely populated.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 12:37, ref...@gmx.net < > > > > > > > ref...@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Never looked at it. Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos > > > > > > > > and weird autocorrects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Second versions, Scottish > > > > > > > > Metric Psalter > > > > > > > > From: David Haslam > > > > > > > > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org > > > > > > > > CC: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean the Samaritan Pentateuch Dead Sea Scrolls > > > > > > > > > variant module SPDSS isn't rather more of an overkill > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > Have you ever looked at the contents? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was about to suggest the same as Tom Sullivan did. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A second module with just the alternative versions of > > > > > > > > > these 11 or 12 Psalms, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But is there a third metrical version of any Psalm? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 10:30, Peter von Kaehne < > > > > > > > > > ref...@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2019-01-12 at 05:15 -0500, Tom Sullivan > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Peter: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggestion: Make 2 modules, one for each > > > > > > > > > > translation. Most front > > > > > > > > > > > ends > > > > > > > > > > > will do parallel display. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For 11 or 12 (I need to count them) psalms that > > > > > > > > > > seems overkill. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > > > > > > > > > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > > > > > > > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at > > > > > > > > > > above page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > > > > > > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > > > > > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
