JSword allows the setting of a Greek Mophology module. It doesn’t use the work given in the morph or lemma attributes. Forked XST can provide a different mechanism.
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Weird autocorrections. > On Feb 7, 2019, at 3:26 PM, pierre amadio <amadio.pie...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi there ! > > I find it strange that the LXX module tells it is using packard's > morphological code. > > Earlier in 2018, I started to use the LXX module (Version 2.5) and > installed the Packard module as well. > Then, i realised that the tool I was using gave me a lot of wrong information. > > The error were visible with diatheke as well, so it was not a bug in > the frontend i was using: > > $ diatheke -b LXX -o avm -f PLAIN -k Gen 1:1 > Genesis 1:1: εν (PREP) αρχη (N-DSF) εποιησεν (V-AAI-3S) ο (T-NSM) θεος > (N-NSM) τον (T-ASM) ουρανον (N-ASM) και (CONJ) την (T-ASF) γην (N-ASF) > (LXX) > > θεος (N-NSM) is obviously nominative, however asking for the packard > key gives vocative as a result. > > $ diatheke -b Packard -f PLAIN -k N-NSM > : Part of speech: noun, indeclinable proper noun Case: vocative > Number: singular Gender: neuter > > Looking at εποιησεν (V-AAI-3S), it tells me it is a passive pluperfect 3s... > > Now, for the same codes, the robinson module gives result thats looks correct: > > $ diatheke -b Robinson -f PLAIN -k N-NSM > : * Part of Speech *: Noun > * Case *: Nominative > * Number *: Singular > * Gender *: Masculine > (Robinson) > > $ diatheke -b Robinson -f PLAIN -k V-AAI-3S > : * Part of Speech *: Verb > * Tense *: Aorist > * Voice *: Active > * Mood *: Indicative > * Person *: third > * Number *: Singular > (Robinson) > > I do not know if this is related to your problem, nor why LXX is > mentionning packard in the morph code tag, but it could be interesting > to see what happen if you try to use the Robinson module instead of > the Packard one. > >> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 20:41, Dudeck, John <john.dud...@sim.org> wrote: >> >> Further info: >> >> I dumped the LXX and TR modules using mod2imp. >> >> 1) I see that the LXX morphology uses the module packard. So I downloaded >> packard from Crosswire. >> >> 2) I see that those words that do not have a Strongs number have the >> morphology duplicated in the Strongs field (!!!) So in Malachi 1:1 you can >> see for the first word it shows: >> >> <w lemma="strong:GN-NSN" morph="packard:N-NSN">λημμα</w> >> >> which is wrong! >> >> $$$Malachi 1:1 >> <w lemma="strong:GN-NSN" morph="packard:N-NSN">λημμα</w> <w >> lemma="strong:G3056" morph="packard:N-GSM">λογου</w> <w lemma="strong:G2962" >> morph="packard:N-GSM">κυριου</w> <w lemma="strong:G1909" >> morph="packard:PREP">επι</w> <w lemma="strong:G3588" >> morph="packard:T-ASM">τον</w> <w lemma="strong:G2474" >> morph="packard:N-PRI">ισραηλ</w> <w lemma="strong:G1722" >> morph="packard:PREP">εν</w> <w lemma="strong:G5495" >> morph="packard:N-DSF">χειρι</w> <w lemma="strong:G32" >> morph="packard:N-GSM">αγγελου</w> <w lemma="strong:G846" >> morph="packard:D-GSM">αυτου</w> <w lemma="strong:G5087" >> morph="packard:V-AMM-2P">θεσθε</w> <w lemma="strong:G1211" >> morph="packard:PRT">δη</w> <w lemma="strong:G1909" >> morph="packard:PREP">επι</w> <w lemma="strong:G3588" >> morph="packard:T-APF">τας</w> <w lemma="strong:G2588" >> morph="packard:N-APF">καρδιας</w> <w lemma="strong:G5216" >> morph="packard:P-GP">υμων</w> >> >> A quick regular expression shows that there are 30512 words where the >> strongs number has morphology in the field out of 475348 total words. >> >> 3) The morphology field is not being displayed by AndBible. Only Strongs is >> being displayed. I see no differences in the tagging syntax used. >> >> >> The mods.d/lxx.conf and tr.conf files both contain: >> >> GlobalOptionFilter=OSISStrongs >> GlobalOptionFilter=OSISMorph >> Feature=StrongsNumbers >> >> So I don't understand why one displays the Morphology codes and the other >> does not. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> John >> >>> The behavior in AndBible for the LXX is rather odd. It doesn't matter where >>> you look in the text, >>> the symptoms appear the same everywhere. >>> >>> When you tap 'nnnn' to display Strongs numbers, it displays the Strongs >>> numbers, BUT for those >>> words where there is no Strongs, it displays a Morphology code. As David >>> mentions, in Mal 1:1, it >>> shows N-NSN for the first word, and Strongs numbers for the rest of the >>> words in the verse. >>> >>> If you open the display menu (three dots menu), Strongs and Morphology are >>> both checked. If you >>> uncheck Morphology, nothing changes in the display. If you check Morphology >>> and uncheck >>> Strongs, all of the Strongs disappear, and no Morphology codes are >>> displayed. If you then touch >>> 'nnnn' again, it displays Strongs, but in the display menu Strongs is >>> unchecked and Morphology is >>> checked but grayed out. >>> >>> If you touch a Strongs number, it displays the entry as expected. If you >>> touch a Morphology code >>> (eg. N-NSN as above), it looks up the word 'N-NSN' in Strongs Hebrew and >>> displays the entry >>> 3476 Naasson. If you touch 'V-PAPRP', it displays entry 3578 xenia from >>> Strong's Greek. >>> >>> By comparison with the TR Textus Receptus, when you tap 'nnnn' to display >>> Strongs numbers, it >>> displays the Strongs number followed by the Morphology (with no space >>> between). You can touch >>> the number and it brings up the Strongs entry from Strongs Greek. You can >>> touch the Morphology >>> and it brings up the Robinson's codes. If you open the display menu and >>> uncheck Morphology, it >>> shows only the Strongs numbers. However you cannot display Morphology if >>> Strongs is not >>> displayed. >>> >>> I would assume that the behavior of the display menu in AndBible is an >>> AndBible issue, and it's >>> not really a problem, just a minor logic bug. But the inability to display >>> Morphology in LXX is an >>> issue. >>> >>> I imagine this could either be addressed in AndBible, or in the LXX source. >>> Is Tuomas reading >>> this, or do I need to write him separately? >>> >>> Where do I find the LXX source? Maybe this is something that can be >>> corrected fairly easily. >>> >>> John >>> >>>> LXX installed in PocketSword can display both or either. >>>> >>>> There are some tagging errors such as the one I spotted in the first word >>>> of Malachi 1:1 >>>> >>>> I’ve not looked at more than one location before responding on whether the >>>> 2 features work. >>>> >>>> Could it be AndBible or did you perhaps sample a location with many more >>>> tagging issues? >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 01:19, Dudeck, John <john.dud...@sim.org> wrote: >>>> Greetings. >>>> >>>> I've just tried loading the LXX in AndBible. Supposedly it has both >>>> Strongs numbers and >>>> Morphology tagging. But in AndBible it only displays Morphology when there >>>> is no Strongs >>>> number on a given word. And in that case it tries to look up the >>>> Morphology in Strongs. In >>>> Xiphos you can see where there is no Strongs number in those cases. >>>> >>>> By the way I am using our own French version of Strongs. Is the morphology >>>> lookup >>>> supposed to be in Strongs for LXX? With the Textus Receptus it needs >>>> Robinson's module. >>>> >>>> In contrast the Textus Receptus displays both Strongs and Morphology. >>>> >>>> Does this mean there is a tagging problem in the LXX? Or is it an >>>> AndBible/Jsword >>>> problem? >> >> John Dudeck >> Programmer at Editions Cle Lyon, France >> john.dud...@sim.org j...@editionscle.com >> -- >> "Good things come to those who wait, / Not to those who hesitate." -- Petra >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > _______________________________________________ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page _______________________________________________ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page