I think Arlen was just confused about why "phone number" would be
separated from the page content.  After all, you want the phone number
to be a part of the page's content.

Well,  it can be both.  If you think "phone number" is an important
attribute of a page to search for, you can note it as such.  It's up
to the people using the wiki to decide how to mark these
relationships.

> So, the phone number itself "(530)753-8639" is data. The extra bits
[[Metadata("phone:=(530)753-8639")]] let some machine, or other tool
look at that data, and safely assume it's a phone number

Yup (or some other page).  It might not be written in that way, or put
into the page that way, but that's the general idea.  The easiest way
to understand this stuff is to look at the motivating problems like
automatic categorization.

--Philip

On 4/22/07, Stephen Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, the phone number itself is not metadata. The number of digits and how
> they are organized would be some metadata about a phone number.
>
> Other examples of metadata are a database schema, the bitrate of an mp3, or
> the exposure used to  capture a digital image.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 4/22/07, Far McKon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 4/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I'm somewhat confused by this metadata discussion.
> > > >
> > > > Wouldn't things like phone numbers be considered data rather than
> > > > metadata?
> > >
> > > As Brian mentioned, metadata is information about information. As it
> > > relates to sycamore, metadata is information about a wiki page (or the
> > > real-world object that is represented as a wiki page).
> >
> > Hmm. I don't agree with that explanation (no offense Scott). Here is
> > another take.
> >
> > The text "(530)753-8639" on the page "Delta of Venus" is information.
> > You as a human can link that set of information to the category "Phone
> > Number."  The fact that that is in the category "Phone Numbers" is
> > metdata and it's done by simian brain magic . So, for editing the
> > wiki, metadata is adding that link so machines can make that same
> > connection.
> >
> > So, the phone number itself "(530)753-8639" is data. The extra bits
> > [[Metadata("phone:=(530)753-8639")]] let some machine, or
> other tool
> > look at that data, and safely assume it's a phone number,
> >
> > > I do predict some very complex queries emerging that would get messy
> > > enough to warrant a special query-building interface.
> >
> > I predict, and fear that. But that shouldn't stop anyone, it should
> > make a good challenge out of it!
> >
> > - Far
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