On 10/28/10 3:27 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:

On 28.10.2010, at 14:26, Fabien Potencier wrote:


On 10/28/10 9:51 AM, Jordi Boggiano wrote:
On 27.10.2010 22:48, JMather wrote:
Personally, I don't think redirects belong in the view logic.

Well, if you want a clean design it kind of does have to be there.
Redirects are not part of the data, it's what the view "displays" in
reaction to the user action. And as we explained that behavior changes
based on which view you have. Html views typically redirect, async-js
stuff doesn't, and other views like a PDF will want to render different
headers to make you download it, etc. The response should be built by
the view.

I'm not saying you can't have a smart default view that'll make it
unnecessary to have a specific view class in most cases though.

I can't think of a lot of instances where redirects would be useful
with json, though perhaps that's just my particular coding style
talking...

Afaik, a redirect in a json request breaks the request. But it's not
only about json anyway.

Keep in mind that Views and Templates are two different things.

By default in Symfony2, there is no "View" layer per se. In the controller, you 
do something (most of the time, you render a template) to create a Response object.

But, you can also just pass Model data to a View. The View (most of the time an 
object) is then responsible for rendering the template, adjusting the response 
headers, play with the cache, redirecting to somewhere else based on the 
request, the format, whatever, ...

There is no mandatory View layer in Symfony2 because most of the time, you 
don't need one. But as soon as you want to do more complex things, like 
supporting different formats, or because you want to share your code with 
others and make it more customizable, Views are definitely the way to go.


Yes, but how useful are 3rd party Bundles that do not support JSON out of the 
box? It seems to me like we need to make sure that _all_ Bundles out of the box 
support (at least in the way of not having to modify/extend a controller) JSON 
output.

I'm not sure I understand. Many bundles do not need to have JSON support. Anyway, we can make that a best practice, but we cannot enforce it with code.

Fabien

regards,
Lukas Kahwe Smith
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