On 28.01.2011, at 10:33, Fabien Potencier wrote:

> During the weekly Symfony meeting yesterday, we talked about third-party 
> dependencies in the framework in general, and more specifically in 
> components. No consensus was found, and so we decided to not decide anything. 
> After this meeting, Johannes, Bernhard, and myself exchanged some emails on 
> the topic. Why the three of us? Because Johannes manages the security 
> component (and it has a dependency on Doctrine DBAL for ACL), and Bernhard 
> manages the form/validator components (and they have an optional dependency 
> on Doctrine). As the developers in charge of the maintenance of these 
> components, we have of course a rather strong opinion on how things need to 
> be done.
> 
> As we don't believe that we can make everyone happy, here is what we think is 
> the best for the project:
> 
> The Component sub-namespace hosts libraries that can be used standalone. They 
> *must* not have any mandatory externals dependencies (they can however have 
> limited mandatory dependencies on other Symfony2 components -- like Form and 
> Validator for instance).
> 
> For some features, components *may* have optional dependencies on third-party 
> libraries that we, as the Symfony core team, support (as of today, it mostly 
> means Doctrine, Swiftmailer, and Twig).
> 
> The goal is to make the components as useful as possible when used outside 
> the Symfony2 context. So, if someone wants to use the Security component 
> without the Symfony MVC framework, he should be able to do so. Of course, if 
> he uses Propel, and not Doctrine, he is on his own. But if he uses Doctrine, 
> he has a complete and working package that works standalone.
> 
> Although we implement support for certain dependencies ourselves, there is 
> (and must be) a clear interface that allows to replace it by custom 
> implementations.
> 
> So, what about the Propel guy then? As we don't have a Propel bundle, it
> changes nothing for him. We don't have support in the component, but we don't 
> have support in the framework either. Of course, people willing to contribute 
> support for other libraries (like Propel, Zend Mailer, or Smarty for 
> instance) can do so in a Bundle, in the library itself, or in yet another 
> "tie-in" library that they distribute themselves. But that won't be part of 
> the core framework.
> 
> We think this is the best compromise we can find.


+1

regards,
Lukas Kahwe Smith
[email protected]



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