Hi all,

interesting read. An example that comes to mind are bind() vs.
doBind(), and save() vs. doSave() in the object form classes, where
only the do* methods are supposed to be overriden, yet that nugget of
wisdom is only in the phpdoc comment and is easily overlooked, so lots
of code I see has the bind() & save() methods overridden directly.

+1 for private.

Daniel




On Mar 10, 9:29 am, ericclemmons <[email protected]> wrote:
> +1 Lukas + Jonathan's comments, specifically in regards to reducing BC
> breaks and reducing extension points to a manageable number.
>
> So, the code in the future will have a lot less of manipulation of
> "$this->fooObject", but rather manipulating "$this->getFooObject()"
> because of the constrained API?
>
> You're right.  Down the line, forcing a gateway to object properties
> will prove beneficial, especially if the getter does something more
> than simply returning the property value, such as lazy-loading an
> object or dispatching an event.
>
> Thanks for the clarification, fellows!
>
> On Mar 10, 11:10 am, Lukas Kahwe Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 10.03.2011, at 18:05, Jonathan Wage wrote:
>
> > > You have to also consider what this change forces us to do. Instead of 
> > > just solving the inheritance and extension problem by whoring out our API 
> > > and opening everything up we will have to specifically design for 
> > > inheritance and extension points. This will result in a much better 
> > > experience for everyone .You will have clear ways to extend and inherit 
> > > things that are designed for it, and we will have a much easier time 
> > > maintaining and evolving the internals of the code because we won't be 
> > > breaking BC every move we make. It may be hard to see now but fruits from 
> > > this change will definitely be apparent later in the life of Symfony2.
>
> > exactly ... this change doesnt mean "no inheritance" .. it means carefully 
> > guided and designed inheritance extension points. less guessing about which 
> > of the 3-5 different possible ways to do something to choose. more 
> > consistency across Bundles follows naturally.
>
> > as a result of stopping this gigantic kitten slaughter we might end up with 
> > a kitten plague ;)
>
> > regards,
> > Lukas Kahwe Smith
> > [email protected]

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