Larry,

Thanks for your clarification about the Drupal association.

It seems that the Typo3 association do sponsor some dev / pjt managment 
hours[1]

Cheers,
Victor

[1] 
http://typo3.org/news/article/neos-and-flow-team-waive-typo3-association-budget/

On Sunday, January 20, 2013 1:14:13 AM UTC+1, Larry Garfield wrote:
>
> On 01/16/2013 06:05 AM, Victor Berchet wrote: 
> > There are two major things that IMO can be improved here: 
> > 
> > - define plans - this has been discussed before in the serie[6] and 
> > above so I won't discuss it again, 
> > - have a better predictability on the available development resources 
> > - As Fabien said[7]: "How would you put a plan together without 
> > knowing who will be able to help? That sounds impossible to me" 
> > 
> > Fabien is true, most Symfony contributors are volunteer who submit PRs 
> > on an availability basis and it makes putting a plan together very hard. 
>
> This is a problem of any open source project; it's a big one for Drupal 
> where we have lots of cats going in different directions who don't like 
> to be herded. :-)  Drupal 8 is the first release we've had anything even 
> resembling quasi-formal roadmaps, and the results have been... mixed. 
>
> > One solution that should be worth exploring is to create a "Symfony 
> > association" - Typo3[8] and Drupal[9] have such associations. The goal 
> > of the association would be to do some fund raising in order to be 
> > able to hire some developers to work on the Symfony framework - I 
> > don't exactly know the goal of either the Typo3 or Drupal associations 
> > but I would like to hear form them. 
> > 
> > It could be more than fund raising only. The association should accept 
> > donations from individuals or companies (same as the different levels 
> > of membership on the Typo3 association homepage) or ask "big" users to 
> > have some part-time dedicated resources working on some important 
> > features / fixes / documentation chapters. 
>
> To be clear, the Drupal Association does not direct, manage, or 
> influence Drupal development.  It supports the community in doing so by 
> holding events, keeping the servers and website running, etc. Its bylaws 
> expressly forbid hiring devs to work on Drupal.  It does employ people 
> to work on Drupal.org, who in the course of such work often work on 
> modules that are publicly available, but that's no different than any 
> other Drupal-using site.  What you propose here has been discussed from 
> time to time in the Drupal community, but always in the context of 
> someone other than the Drupal Association doing it, and it's never 
> really come to anything. 
>
> There are a number of Drupal companies that have people that work either 
> part time or full time on Drupal or certain contributed modules, but 
> those are by far the exception.  Acquia is the most notable of them, but 
> not the only, and Acquia's position in Drupal is not the same as 
> Sensio's position in Symfony.  It's the biggest fish in the pond, not 
> the fish that runs the pond. 
>
> Disclaimer: I am currently an Advisor to the Drupal Association, after 
> spending about 4 years on the Board of Directors. 
>
> I cannot speak for the Typo3 Association as I've never worked with them. 
>
> --Larry Garfield 
>

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