Seems lot a lot of extra bloat, that would only ever be used by a  
small percentile of people. I'd therefore consider these "edge cases".

A framework ceases to be a "framework" if you have all of those  
functions, and becomes more like an application server. Infact, most  
of that functionality is available via the ill-fated OpenACS platform  
from the equally ill-fated ArsDigita.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

SpikeSource offer "full stacks" of "certified" integrated components,  
that can offer you something along these lines... I'm REALLY against a  
framework that tries to do too much, and enforces this on it's users.  
Developers aren't stupid, and they'll drop a product like a hot potato  
if it's making their life more difficult than it needs to. The beauty  
about a well designed (eg extensible) framework, and OO code is that a  
developer is free to add what components they consider to be "best of  
breed" to fit their particular needs.

Personally, I think the only thing Symfony needs to "add" is better  
handling of forms via AJAX and some form of handling sfGuard  
functionality via AJAX (which would probably require adoption or  
creation of a JSON based DSL).

On 30 Jan 2009, at 08:48, Peter Bowyer wrote:

> I came across this today, someone's take on what's missing from
> modern web frameworks. While a lot of the social side of what he's
> requesting doesn't belong in an application framework IMO, it makes
> for interesting reading.
>
> http://randomfoo.net/2009/01/28/infrastructure-for-modern-web-sites

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