splitting is counterproductive, we can always hit delete I myself hit a ton of deletes even with sf2 and I am for sf2, so i think people is having too thin of a skin.
2011/6/21 Stéphane Guidoin <stephane.guid...@gmail.com>: > I agree with this proposition. I'm new on the mailing list, I use sf1.4 > because some specific plugins do not exist on sf2 for now... but my mailbox > is completely overwhelmed by emails irrelevant for me. > > I guess a number of people will continue to use sf1 until sf2 is stable and > presents the same level of plugins (or at least to migration their existing > production) and for those people it will be useful to have there mails not > lost in the middle of the sf2 question. > > Steph > > 2011/6/21 Fabien Potencier <fabien.potenc...@symfony-project.com> >> >> On 6/10/11 2:32 PM, Georg wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am not yet using sf2. >>> >>> I am quite frustrated with the mailing list ATM. >>> >>> I used to read the mailing list along to help people when I knew >>> something, learned a few tricks from answers by others, and had a place >>> to get quick answers. >>> >>> Now on most mails I don't even understand the subject, I don't bother to >>> find the mails where I could help, and i don't ask anymore, because >>> obviously most sf1 users act in the same way as I do. >>> Check how many sf1 questions were asked and answered 5 moth ago and now. >>> This could either mean that nobody is using sf1 any more (which I doubt) >>> or the list is not working for sf1 people any more (which is the case >>> IMO). >>> >>> [RANT]I wonder what are the things that are shared between symfony 1 and >>> symfony 2? That both are a PHP MVC framework and have the same name? >>> TO me this feels like if I had a single mailing list for Drupal and >>> Typo3, because both are PHP CMS[/RANT] >> >> Yes and no. They share the same philosophy but the implementation details >> are different. The web evolves very fast and so the framework should also >> evolve. >> >>> [RANT2]Check http://www.symfony-project.org/installation: >>> sf1.4 is the only stable symfony version ATM, and is supported until >>> november 2012. I strongly hope (even if I have a different feeling), >>> that at least until mid 2012, sf1 is not treated as legacy. There isn't >>> even an update possible, I am afraid that companies will rethink their >>> decision to develop in symfony if they are left standing in the rain. >> >> symfony1 is very stable and the few pain points are not really fixable >> without badly breaking BC. I review all the tickets and I've done some bug >> fixes in the last few weeks on symfony 1.4. But frankly, there is not a lot >> to do. Anyway, we are about to release a new version of symfony 1.4 >> including these minor fixes. >> >>> (Yes, I know this mail >>> http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-devs/msg/f13ab956a61567cc by >>> fabien, let me quote: >>> [QUOTE]Keep in mind that symfony is an Open-Source project, so everybody >>> can contribute and scratch its itch. The core developers and all plugin >>> developers are all working for free. Of course, Sensio sponsors the >>> framework, of course it dedicates a lot of time and money to it, and of >>> it can even provide extended support for all versions for companies >>> willing to pay. And do you know how many companies, except Sensio >>> customers, signed up for extended support in the last 2 years? None! >>> Yep, that's right, not a single one. [/QUOTE] >>> [/RANT2] >>> >>> That's why I would like to have symfony-users and syomfony2-users as >>> opposed to symfony-legacy-users. >>> >>> As always, keep up the great work. And I will switch to sf2, when it is >>> stable (and probably has 1 as minor version number ;-) or when the >>> *symfony2-users* list doesn't complain too much). But I will be stuck >>> with sf1 for quite a long time with existing projects. And as pointed >>> out above, I don't feel they have a lot together. >> >> I've been thinking about this mailing-list issue a lot during the last few >> months and I'm still convinced that creating more mailing-lists is not the >> right solution. Anyway, as many people think the contrary, here is what I >> propose now: >> >> We create two new mailing-lists: one for symfony1 and one for Symfony2. To >> be clear, this mailing-list (symfony-users) will die. That way, there is no >> "legacy" mailing-list, all symfony users will be treated the same way: they >> will have to do something about their subscription. >> >> If everybody agree, I will start the migration and send invitations for >> all current subscribers. >> >> Cheers, >> Fabien >> >>> Regards >>> Georg >>> >>> Am 10.06.2011 07:24, schrieb Fabien Potencier: >>>> >>>> On 6/9/11 10:17 PM, Chris Sedlmayr wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I don't think we are against the idea of creating a Symfony2 specific >>>>> group, but we must ensure that finding help in the right place is the >>>>> main priority. >>>> >>>> I'm against creating a Symfony2 specific group. If we were to create a >>>> new group, then it would be a symfony-legacy group. Do we want to create >>>> a ghetto? >>>> >>>> Fabien >>>> >>>>> Also, it's worth noting that there is significant time involved with >>>>> moderating this group alone, which I am not complaining about as it >>>>> means we have an incredibly active community of developers and users >>>>> which is fantastic! >>>>> >>>>> I'll bring it up and we can go from there? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Chris Sedlmayr >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 9, 8:16 am, Ricky<ricky.ya...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> +1 >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a good idea that there is symfony2 group seperately, as we >>>>>> sometimes can find our solution or get help from others more clearly. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 9, 10:54 am, Anton Patrikeyev<anton.patrike...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2011/5/18 mepk<mpriz...@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>> >>>>>>>> marcelo >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 18 mayo, 05:05, Leo Jokinen<leo.joki...@snoobi.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1 since only interested of SF2 >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Leo- >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: symfony-users@googlegroups.com [mailto: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> symfony-users@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marco Pivetta >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: 18. toukokuuta 2011 10:39 >>>>>>>>> To: symfony-users@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [symfony-users] Re: Any chance of creating a new >>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> group for Symfony2 only? >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1 as I am COMPLETELY not interested in Symfony 1.X and joined >>>>>>>>> here to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> just follow some of the issues coming of sf2 :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marco Pivetta >>>>>>>>> @Ocramius<http://twitter.com/Ocramius>http://marco-pivetta.com >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 18 May 2011 09:21, Yanko Simeonoff<zech...@gmail.com<mailto: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> zech...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 05/18/2011 10:12 AM, Zolzaya Erdenebaatar wrote: >>>>>>>>> +1On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Alan >>>>>>>>> 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