Sorry I didn't get to chime in on this until now (I was actually the one the 
spoke to Felix about it on IRC in the first place).  I don't care too much 
about the sentences, but I wanted to note that I think an even better solution 
would be reorganize our docs front page to be like the Python docs front page 
(see http://docs.python.org/), i.e., have little subheaders for each header. 

Aaron Meurer

On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:59 AM, Tim Varkalis wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Felix Kaiser <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you put it that way it makes sense.
> 
> I've updated the pull request accordingly.
> 
> I have not changed "central" to "primary" as you suggested because that would 
> contradict "all of".
> 
> Now all the commit does is fix spelling mistakes and add the missing "of", so 
> it should be ok to push this in.
> 
> Felix
> 
> 
> Seems fine to me, also seems most people don't really have an opinion! Except 
> that the spelling mistakes should definitely be corrected ;-)
> 
> Good work :)
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> On 10/20/2010 06:42 PM, Tim Varkalis wrote:
>> Although it's self-evident that you start with the tutorial if you are new 
>> to sympy, just saying "the tutorial is here" doesn't seem so friendly.
>> 
>> Also, I would like to know where the main contact point for finding 
>> documentation is, I also like the idea of (at least trying) to collect it 
>> all to one site.  I think quality, easy to find, accessible documentation is 
>> the key to getting people to use and enjoy a library (in fact, most software 
>> in general).  My only suggestion would be to change the word 'central' to 
>> 'principle' or 'primary'.  Also, it's technically the central 'site' not 
>> 'page' but I think it reads fine and doesn't really need changing.
>> 
>> Thinking another way, it achieves the goal of addressing newbies and 
>> pointing them to the best starting point (how do they know that tutorial 
>> link is the best starting point? They may be looking for 'introduction to' 
>> or 'primer' ... who knows?!).  Since it achieves this, what is the benefit 
>> of removing it? 
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Ondrej Certik <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Felix Kaiser <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > right now docs.sympy.org says:
>> >>
>> >> SymPy is a Python library for symbolic mathematics. If you are new to
>> >> SymPy, start with the Tutorial.
>> >>
>> >> This is the central page for all SymPy’s documentation.
>> >
>> > The last sentence is missing an "of", which is what got me looking into
>> > this.
>> >
>> > I then decided to remove both that sentence and the previous one ("If you
>> > are new to SymPy..."), because both are fairly self-evident. Also the last
>> > one doesn't account for wiki and docstrings. Here's the pull request:
>> > http://github.com/sympy/sympy/pull/13 (note: the commit also fixes a few
>> > more spelling mistakes on that page)
>> >
>> > Ondrej would like to keep both sentences, while Asmeurer voted for removing
>> > them. I am not really sure, but I think we should remove them.
>> >
>> > So we need more opinions on this. Anyone?
>> 
>> My original idea was to keep those, so that the new user knows that
>> this is the only documentation, and also that it forces us to really
>> put all the docs in there.
>> 
>> However, if more people think it should be removed, let's remove it.
>> 
>> Ondrej
>> 
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