one more thing, for Three.js we need not to worry about panning, so according to me there isn't much difference While implementing in Sympy has an extra advantage but also we will need to figure out some ways to do things but with implementing into SymPyGamma and Live we are implementing codes for which we are writing and is straight and simple.
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:59 PM, SAHIL SHEKHAWAT <[email protected] > wrote: > David, > So, what your thought are,? should i write the codes into Gamma and Live > or into Sympy because both can be done and both will use Json which the > Three.js will use anyways! > * By implementing into Sympy we can make the plots locally like PyDy and > then also create a html element which will contain all the codes. ( > somehow) > There is not much difference anyways so what you suggest? > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:42 PM, David Li <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Just some thoughts: >> >> - I agree with Jason that ultimately, integrating a library >> specifically focused on Python and web plotting is the best course for >> SymPy and Gamma/Live in general. >> - Gamma/Live's problem is that it runs on App Engine - anything >> that requires a server won't work. (I think Bokeh/WebAgg fall into this >> category, but I'm not sure. WebAgg also isn't available on App Engine >> yet >> anyways.) >> - WebAgg seems to render the plot on the server and send frames >> to the client. Locally it ran at an acceptable (but slow) rate; I'm >> not >> sure how well this would hold up on App Engine. >> - One of the reasons that Gamma uses its own plotting is because >> it lets the user pan the plot and load more of the plot on demand. >> - On mpld3: it would be nice to integrate just to support more plots, >> but for 3D specifically it won't >> help<https://github.com/jakevdp/mpld3/issues/69#issuecomment-34880654> >> . >> - On passing JSON data to the browser to render: this is what we do >> >> already<https://github.com/sympy/sympy_gamma/blob/master/app/logic/resultsets.py#L583> >> . >> >> David >> >> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:47:50 AM UTC-7, SAHIL SHEKHAWAT wrote: >> >>> That exactly what i was looking for! >>> I think i will go by this concept only...its awesome! >>> about using Json mathics guys also use json to render 3D plotting for >>> Three.js, Its good enough and works. >>> Thanks again. :) >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Jason Moore <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> https://github.com/pydy/pydy-viz >>>> >>>> We basically generate data on the python side, then write a json file >>>> to disk, then we have a generic html/js/css template that uses three.js to >>>> load in all the data from the json file and create a scene. The json file >>>> is the communication between python and js. This is rudimentary, but works >>>> and I think it would work for your idea too. >>>> >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> moorepants.info >>>> +01 530-601-9791 >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:19 AM, SAHIL SHEKHAWAT < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> can you please point me out the direction where i can learn how PyDy >>>>> works? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Jason Moore <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> But even if you implement something with Mathbox.js then it would be >>>>>> nice if users can use it locally or through Live/Gamma. That is the >>>>>> approach with took with pydy-viz. Right now we can run them locally and >>>>>> if >>>>>> you want embed it in a website you can. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> moorepants.info >>>>>> +01 530-601-9791 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Jason Moore <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If we already use matplotlib for 3D plotting, then a long term >>>>>>> solution to this is to add three.js to the web backend of any one of the >>>>>>> new plotting libraries that are popping up (bokeh, mpld3, matplotlib's >>>>>>> webagg backend). Then you can simply use the library for the backend to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> matplotlib calls. Now, that route is more arduous and may not be the >>>>>>> fastest course to having 3D plotting in Gamma. You can certainly >>>>>>> implement >>>>>>> a custom 3D web based plotter for SymPy Gamma that only works for SymPy >>>>>>> Gamma, but as soon as these aforementioned libraries mature we will most >>>>>>> certainly use them as the backend for SymPy plotting. I'm not involved >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the SymPy plotting package so I don't know the roadmap for it or what >>>>>>> people really want. But people that are doing plotting want what these >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> libraries are creating and one or more of them will become a de facto >>>>>>> web >>>>>>> plotting library for 3D graphics. But also having a working 3D plot in >>>>>>> Gamma by the end of the summer will be cool, regardless if we use the >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> established libs in the future. If you want to go the fast and dirty >>>>>>> route, >>>>>>> then the Mathbox.js looks like a good choice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>> moorepants.info >>>>>>> +01 530-601-9791 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:32 AM, SAHIL SHEKHAWAT < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But we do support 3D plotting by matplotlib and also you >>>>>>>> mentioned that a lot of people are working on making it browser >>>>>>>> compatible. >>>>>>>> Sorry if i am irritating but i just want to clarify. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Jason Moore <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My suggestion on melange was just to mention that if you only >>>>>>>>> focus on 3D plotting for SymPy Gamma then we are missing the majority >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> SymPy users. My hunch is that 99% of people who use SymPy use it >>>>>>>>> locally, >>>>>>>>> not from SymPy live or SymPy Gamma. If we currently don't support 3D >>>>>>>>> plotting locally, then the effort may be more fruitful adding 3D >>>>>>>>> plotting >>>>>>>>> to SymPy for local use. If 3D plotting for SymPy were implemented in >>>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>>> way that it is web compatible, then the plotting for SymPy Live and >>>>>>>>> SymPy >>>>>>>>> Gamma will be gained almost for "free". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>> moorepants.info >>>>>>>>> +01 530-601-9791 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:15 AM, SAHIL SHEKHAWAT < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> sorry for the slang but if a lot of people are working on the >>>>>>>>>> similar project then what is there that i can work on! >>>>>>>>>> I talked to Ondrej and David and they said that implementing 3D >>>>>>>>>> plotting for Gamma is fine. Please suggest something. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:32 PM, SAHIL SHEKHAWAT < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So, how can i improve sympy then? >>>>>>>>>>> I mean you said that we want 3D plotting for SymPy as a whole. >>>>>>>>>>> so , how can i improve that? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Jason Moore <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are a lot people working on plotting in the browser, many >>>>>>>>>>>> of them tied to python execution. There probably isn't much reason >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> reinvent the wheel here. This is another more simple project that >>>>>>>>>>>> implements a d3.js backend for matplotlib: mpld3.github.io . >>>>>>>>>>>> Also there matplotlib has a webagg backend. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>>>>> moorepants.info >>>>>>>>>>>> +01 530-601-9791 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:41 AM, SAHIL SHEKHAWAT < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed they are and for that there is already an option of >>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading from matplotlib's support. >>>>>>>>>>>>> We can give an option to view the plot in the web browser and >>>>>>>>>>>>> Live and Gamma are always there to help us. 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