2012/3/2 Fabio Martelli <[email protected]> > > Il giorno 02/mar/2012, alle ore 11.12, Emmanuel Lécharny ha scritto: > > > Le 3/2/12 9:40 AM, Fabio Martelli a écrit : > >> Il giorno 01/mar/2012, alle ore 21.12, Simone Tripodi ha scritto: > >> > >>> Hi all guys! > >>> > >>> I know that working in the same office speeds up the development > >>> process, but I'd like to pray you anyway to make the whole community > >>> more aware about the proposed roadmap, in order to make the project > >>> not only OSS but also open dev - ASF projects are community-driven! - > >>> and then get more external contributions. > >> Hi Simone, I do think that what you have written is right. > >> From my side I would share with the community our past roadmap [1]. > >> This was our idea before to enter into the Community but, of course, I > well know that it have to be re-discussed asap. > > There is nothing that need to be "re-discussed". Not now, not even in a > near future. > > > > What Simone says is pretty simple : every discussion, every choice, > *must* be discussed on the public mailing list. That does not mean that, > because Syncope has been accepted in the incubator, we should re-evaluate > every single decision which has already been made by the current team. > > > > Now, the advantage of having public discussions is that it helps > outsiders to be part of the discussions, and bring some new ideas, and new > opinions. That's pretty much it. > > > > Simone's warning is that at some point you guys, working in the same > office, F2F, will find it more convenient to make a decision *before* it > has been discussed on the ML. That's one of the major community > anti-pattern. And The ASF is *all* about community ! > >> > >> However, you cannot ask us to change roadmap planned for Syncope > 1.1-incubating. > > Of course the community can !!! The roadmap must be discussed and > accepted, before it becomes official. As usual, this is done by trying to > reach a concensus, if if none is found, then by a vote. > > > > Just because you entered into incubator does not magically freeze a > roadmap. > >> The main reasons are two: > >> 1. a lot of issues had been opened before our enter into the community > (we cannot go on with developments with inconsistencies into the source > code); > >> 2. we have done several commercial proposal based on Syncope 1.1 before > to enter into the community. > > > > Ok, let's be clear : whatever business proposal you have made is totally > orthogonal to the ongoing work in The ASF. Period. > > > > If you need to fulfill some of the commitment you've made, thats your > problem, not the ASF problem. Fork the project, if needed. > > > > Why am I stressing out this point ? Because we have seen too many > projects at the ASF being polluted by commercial agendas. > > > > Now, I'm painting it black, on purpose. I'm pretty sure that you guys > will do the right thing. It's just that you have to understand what the > Apache Way is all about. > >> > >> Further, the 70% of activities that we are doing in this period is bug > fixing. I do hope that this is not a problem. > > No, not at all. > > > > Now, keep in mind that one major criterium for this project to get out > of incubator is that you can successfully create a diverse community, ie > you succeed in adding some new committers from other companies, in order to > make Syncope a real community, way larger than just Tirasa. > > > > Don't get me wrong here : I'm not telling you guys that you have done > any mistake so far. I'm just trying, and so is Simone, to show you the > traps you may fall in. > Thank you Emmanuel. > > Regards, > F. > > Hi guys,
Thanks Simone and Emmanuel for proposing this topic. I think it's an important discussion to involve new developers and building a real community, and also understand how to work inside ASF. I think the project is on a quite advanced stage, so it's not easy for new developers join on topics like [1], and I understand that there is a roadmap already built. I don't have any concern with the actual roadmap, and I personally agree to work on bug fixing to release the new stable version asap. Of course this is just my idea (do we should vote for this?). I worked on Syncope last year and after some months I've found really a lot of news on the code and building system ... and I'm really happy about that :) . I think that It's important, starting from the topic linked by Francesco [2], to make a wiki page for new developers. This could help growing the team. I'll try to do start with that if you agree. Regards Nicola [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-syncope-dev/201202.mbox/%[email protected]%3E [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-syncope-dev/201202.mbox/%[email protected]%3E
