On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:58:25PM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Tobias Hunger <tobias.hun...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Hi Luke, >> > >> > I am mostly a lurker on the systemd mailing list, so my opinion does >> > not carry weight in this community. >> > >> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton >> > <l...@lkcl.net> wrote:> so i'm not going to "protest" - i'm going to >> > try a different approach. >> >> i'd like you to look at this list of debian packages that are >> >> dependent on libsystemd0: >> >> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/list_of_libsystemd0_dependent_packages.txt >> > >> > I understood most of these dependencies to be indirect: Packages that >> > depend on other packages that in turn depend on libsystemd. Is that >> > correct? >> >> that's right. so, what that means is that the actual number of >> packages which would need to be converted to dynamic loading is >> actually very small (about 100), and the remaining 4,483 would be fine >> (not need any work done on them at all). >> >> >> > On the other hand the library is tiny and basically falls back to >> > being a no-op in the case where systemd is not PID1, so it does not >> > hurt non-systemd systems to have this library in any way. >> >> ...except that its introduction (usually --with-libsystemd) in those >> 100 (or so) packages has been done in a mutually-exclusive, >> hard-compile-time switch that *excludes* the possibility of dynamic >> (runtime) decision-making. > I think this is the crux of the matter. Please accept the fact that > this compile time switch does not preclude runtime decision making at > all. When not running under systemd, calls into libsystemd degrade > into silent noops. So they only "cost" that is an extra unused 600kb > library, which is completely insignificant.
And when it is significant you are usually in situation where you are compiling your own packages and can remove the systemd compile time option. -- Cameron Norman _______________________________________________ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel
