On Wed, 30 Dec 2015, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 30.12.2015 um 10:50 schrieb Mantas Mikulėnas:
 On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Reindl Harald <[email protected]
 <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
         Do you really have cronjobs which need to output stuff to ssh
         ptys?

     i have hundrets cronjobs which are running silent and if there is
     something wrong then it's echo'ed which means with crond you get a
     mail

     and *no* it's no option to generate a mail at your own when you
     design software over years which runs aboslutely silent and so you
     know for trigger a alter mail you just need to echo the problem in
     whatever class method and you get also PHP warnings for free

     the whole point of using echo in cronjobs is that you don't need to
     know anything about the mail-environment, frankly even not need to
     have access to the MTA or sendmail binary from your script


 Wait, so you're asking for StandardOutput=console to magically get piped
 to /usr/sbin/sendmail instead of actual console?

can you please stop press reply-all on a mailing-list or at least remove the additonal address by hand?

Standard mailing list etiquette is to reply-to-all, since there's no guarantee the recipient is actually subscribed to the list.

You should be able to configure your mail client to deduplicate your incoming mail. There is also a mailing list option available in the lists.freedesktop.org web interface ("Avoid duplicate copies of messages?").

NO - how do you come to that weird conclusion?

i just want systemd *not to touch* the stdout behavior when asked to do so - it don't need to know anything about ssh ptys, just don't touch stdout

i am asking for StandardOutput=console get piped to the terminal systemctl was called - the rest is done by crond as all the years before

That isn't possible at the moment, and I doubt it will ever be supported. The service is executed by systemd, not systemctl, and there is no communication channel to return a stream of output from the command back to systemctl.

It's not entirely clear why you're converting cron jobs to systemd services. What specifically is wrong with simply running your commands directly from cron as you have always done before?

If you must involve systemd in some way, you might be able to do what you want with "systemd-run --scope". This will run your command as a child process of cron as normal, but will encapsulate the process tree in a systemd scope unit (so it can take advantage of systemd's resource control and can be killed through systemctl).

Regards,
Michael
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