Hi, On Wed, 2025-08-13 at 09:46 +0200, Michal Sekletar wrote: > On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 8:22 AM Andrei Borzenkov > <arvidj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 11:59 AM Silvio Knizek > > <killermoe...@gmx.net> wrote: > > > > > > Am Dienstag, dem 12.08.2025 um 11:02 +0300 schrieb Andrei > > > Borzenkov: > > > > > > I spent some time trying to understand why a service that should > > > have been started was not. It turned out rather simple - the > > > service was WantedBy=default.target, I explicitly used "3" on the > > > kernel command line and this made systemd to ignore > > > /etc/systemd/system/default.target.wants. > > > > > > Is there any reason to not treat systemd.unit as default in this > > > case? After all, "default target" is the target that systemd > > > starts when running as /sbin/init and passing systemd.unit is > > > entirely equivalent to overriding default.target once at run- > > > time. > > > > > > Hi Andrei, > > > > > > 3 on the k-c-l means "isolate into multi-user.target", not "make > > > the multi-user.target the default.target" or "isolate into > > > default.target". > > > > > > So your default.target was never started. > > > > > > > Sigh. Please explain the reason why starting multi-user.target as > > alias to defaut.target should start different services compared to > > starting multi-user.target as systemd.target on the kernel command > > line. > > > > > > I know how it is implemented and why it happens. I ask whether this > > behavior is intentional and reasonable. > > > > > Hi Andrei, > > I don't find current behavior reasonable.
I do. > In any case, I have seen people using (and expecting) > WantedBy=default.target to mean "please attempt to start this unit in > any default target". Using 3 on kernel cmdline is setting default > target for current boot (from user PoV), That's quite interesting interpretation of a "default"... To me, "default" means something that happens _if I don't make any choice_[1]. If I pick a specific unit to start, it's not a temporary change of the default, it's a selection of _something other than the default_. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/default defines it as "a selection automatically used by a program in the absence of a choice made by the user" D.
