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Now that I had a chance to read your contributions and the definitions
of Irene Emory's "The Primary Structures of Fabrics" I have even more
questions and I am convinced that our vocabulary wrt tablet weaving is
inconsistent and incomplete.

Janis, Peter, Nora, thank you for taking up this issue. Peter points
out that "double-faced" refers to structure which I had not been aware
of. You are in line with Irene Emory who gives the definition of

   "double-faced" as: the structure on one face is duplicated on the other. A 
   "two-faced" cloth would have different structures on both sides.
   "single-faced" - examples (according to my understanding) would be brocading 
and vacant hole.

The problem here is that all warp-twined tablet weaving is
double-faced according to this definition and that would include such
patterns as Ram's Horn! 

Irene admits that the term "double-faced" is controversial and
sometimes uses the expression "structurally double-faced"
instead. Unfortunately her classifications does not cover TW very well
and does not cover patterns that are created by the use of color.

Let me restate that I'm looking for. I'm looking for 2 or 3 terms that
describe warp-twined designs that generate 

1. a "good" pattern on only one side of the band (example: ramshorn)

2. "good" patterns on both sides of the band (topic of my TWIST article)

   a) the patterns are identical or equivalent
   b) the patterns are different

I'm currently leaning towards the terms "single-sided" and
"two-sided". They are simple and not new. Irene Emory uses them to
describe embroidery with very similar characteristics.

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A clarification may be needed: The headlines in my printed TWIST
article (Nov 2004) should have read:
 
   - Four Examples with Same Pattern on Both Sides
   - Three Examples of Patterns with Different Front and Back

You can see the patterns at www.theloomybin.com/cw/Twist_Fall04.html
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Thank you for your contributions. Having precise language will make
teaching a lot easier.

Gudrun

> Any use of "double" suggests structure, I think. Pondering it, I side
> with Janis that "different-sided" is more apt.. 
> Or perhaps "dissimilar-sided" 
> Or "dissimilar-faced".....  I like that best.
> 
> Peter Collingwood


> Hi Gudrun,
> 
> Just got your query on "double-what?" from the TW digest.  Double-sided
> and Different-sided (from Janis) sound so generic to me, they could mean
> almost anything.  You have done something remarkable in your
> experimentation with these designs.  They deserve a term that is specific,
> descriptive and easy to remember.  Off the top of my head, I might start
> with "double-faced twining", adding something that specifies the
> difference in these patterns.
> 
> I remember Anne Blinks telling the story from her year at the Textile
> Museum about Irene Emery and Kate Peck Kent arguing about twill
> structures. Kent stated that one could determine the structure by looking
> at only one side.  Emery disagreed, so she instructed Anne to weave up a
> string sample of a twill structure that was quite different on each side.
> I think Emery labeled these weaves compound structures.
> 
> I don't think your bands could be considered compound structures.  But it
> might be worth visiting Emery's book, to look for an interlaced version
> that accomplishes this particular kind of difference between the two
> sides.  I am strongly in favor of borrowing terminology from another class
> of structures, as long as it can be translated into the new one, just to
> keep it simple for all of us.
> 
> Nora
> 
> P.S.  Collingwood has responded to your query since I wrote the above,
> and I reinforce his thoughts.

> Double-sided sounds good to me, it suggests that both sides are usable but 
> not necessarily the same. Would different sided be more concise or just 
> more confusing?
> 
> Janis
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