On 12/17/05, Paul Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
though making clients download
> 200kb of Javascript and then reparse it with every new page is
> certainly not desirable!
>
So one more reason to keep your entire application in a single page ,
aproach which I seem to be the only one advocating ...
> The real kicker, however, is dojo.fx.html: without it, dojo.js drops
> to 76k. So it's nearly doubling the size of the dojo include ... and
> *it doesn't get used*! Since I'm not using any effects on my Ajax
> calls, if I just manually append this to the end of my dojo.js:
>
> dojo.provide("dojo.fx.html");
>
> ...everything works nicely. So Tacos could cut the Javascript burden
> in half just by not including this module until it's needed.
76 k is still not much , but should be still unacceptable for a
lighweight web page that needs to quickly posts a simple form through
ajax .
+ 1 on the ideea that maybe Tacos should provide a non dojo way of
dooing this , since the code for posting a form through Ajax shouldn't
take more than 2 - 3 kb and on top of that curently it looks like
posts can only be done through the IFrame which makes an Ajax post
seem less Ajax as it makes a clicking noise and it moves the loading
icon on the web browser .
untill then thogh , if you only need an ajax form posted , maybe look
at XTile ? that requires you to write javaScript , and last time i
tried it it was a mess ( heard it's in the contrib lib now so
hopefully it's stable ) , it also doesn't allow the other cool things
that Tacos does with a form , saving form data when back button is
used or allowing you to use the check if a dirty write was done on the
form , but it should work and it should be 70 times smaller for that
one purpose
>
> For those wondering how to build the lightweight dojo.js:
>
> Get dojo source via svn.
>
> Create profiles/tacos_ajax.profile.js, and put in it the follow text:
>
> var dependencies = [
> "dojo.io.IO",
> "dojo.io.BrowserIO",
> "dojo.widget.Manager",
> ];
> load("getDependencyList.js");
>
> Build dojo with this command line:
>
> ant -Ddocless=true -Dprofile=tacos_ajax release
>
> Append this line to the end of release/dojo/dojo.js:
>
> dojo.provide("dojo.fx.html");
>
> Copy dojo.js and iframe_history.html into the appropriate place in
> your project.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:48 PM, Dennis Fleurbaaij wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > Interesting note you make there. Maybe Tacos should indeed come
> > with the different versions of the dojo toolkit and load only the
> > applicable version at run time. This should involve building some
> > kind of dependancy systems, but as Tacos is now really centering
> > around dojo we'll probable see the question popping up more often.
> >
> > I think that this would really be a cool feature for beta 1. It
> > would at the very least remove one of main arguments against Tacos,
> > which is the massive javascript loading and downloading. Just my
> > $0.02.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Dennis Fleurbaaij
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Paul Cantrell
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Tacos-devel] Any alternatives to the bloated kitchen
> > sink dojo?
> >
> > Maybe I didn't make it sufficiently clear, but I *did* try one of
> > their prebuilt packages -- the "ajax" distribution -- and it didn't
> > work.
> >
> > The issue seems to be that the tacos components require a bunch of
> > dojo packages like dojo.fx.html and dojo.widgets, even if I'm not
> > actually doing any effects.
> >
> > Is there a way to manage or disable these dependencies...?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On Dec 16, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> >
> >> You'll have to probably checkout dojo from subversion, or try one
> >> of their pre-built packages. It's not very hard to do, but does
> >> require a little bit of intellectual investment. (Mainly just
> >> passing the right command-line arguments to their ant build
> >> script, it's pretty easy if you look at the ant build file or help
> >> options).
> >>
> >> I haven't sat down and made a tacos only dojo build yet, but I
> >> hope to soon. Dojo has plenty of documentation on this in their
> >> wiki already I think though. http://dojo.jot.com
> >>
> >> On 12/16/05, Paul Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Dojo is
> >> massive. It slows down page load/rendering time, and
> >> drastically increases the size of my app.
> >>
> >> I'm using AjaxDirectLink and AjaxForm. That's it. I don't need (or
> >> want) any visual effects, much less the fancy client-side word
> >> processor and self-cleaning toaster oven functionality that comes
> >> with Dojo. I mean, it's all impressive, but I don't need it. Just
> >> Ajax.
> >>
> >> The Tacos docs imply that I may be able to use a lighterweight
> >> distribution of Dojo, or even another library altogether through
> >> Hivemind config. However, the docs don't explain how to do this. Just
> >> dropping in the "Ajax" distribution of dojo doesn't work....
> >>
> >> Anybody tried this? Any hope for keeping my app lean and mean?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
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