2010/5/28 sly (sylvain letuffe) <[email protected]>: > First, I'm aware that full classification of every populated places is not > possible world wide with one tag only, ...The problem I see with actual place > usage is that it is not > standardazided world wide ...
IMHO place is a rough estimate where in the local/regional/national settlement hierarchy a place is located. This does not have to be standardized worldwide (at least not with the same population figures). Just add additional tags like population and ignore place if you don't like it (or use it as fallback). > It makes it quite hard for newcomers to guess in wich case they should use > wich place, and that proposal tries to help have a first easy step to record > at least a population estimation. as others have pointed out: use est_population (or sth. similar, or use population=x and source:population=estimated) for this scope. I actually don't think it is hard for newcomers to choose the right tag (they know in their local language if a place is a hamlet, village or town). The main problem might be that current definitions of some values are not corresponding to real world (hamlets are places with up to 1000 inhabitants in OSM WIki but in the real world most places with more than 100-200 inhabitants will be villages, hamlets with 999 inhabitant IMHO don't exist). Also this classification (settlements) is usually (at least in the regions I know) not done by mere population but by settlement _structure and form_ and available facilities - at least to differentiate between village and hamlet. Cities (at least in Europe) are mostly historically cities, not by population, and it does make sense to use this status, as it has influence on the structure of the territory, while the importance deducted from population is highly dependent on the context (density of the area, size of other settlements nearby). cheers, Martin I suggest reading of these articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_privileges http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_status_in_the_United_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_town_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_status_in_Sweden If you can read German I also suggest this one, which is not comparable to the English version: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadt And for the intensely interested an IMHO very interesting (standard) book: http://openlibrary.org/books/OL4622521M/Storia_della_citta%CC%80 (Italian Version, Original) http://openlibrary.org/works/OL2291022W/Histoire_de_la_ville (French Version? Has only half the pages) http://openlibrary.org/books/OL4436809M/history_of_the_city (English Version) _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
