The problem with mixing ownership terms with building structure terms is that you can't generally distinguish ownership by appearance, short of there being signs stating the fact, or making inquiries. I have heard of cases where some units in a multi-household structure would be owned by the residents, while other units would be available for lease, or even rented out month-by-month.
-------Original Email------- Subject :Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments >From :mailto:[email protected] Date :Tue Sep 07 23:03:41 America/Chicago 2010 housing:house/apartment/condominium/mobile_home/public_housing/shanty/fractional/timeshare here in mexico, many properties have 'shanty' structures that are permanent, albeit cheap/easily dismantled, they are permanent dwellings none the less. fractionals are usually in ,multi-level/unit structures, but also come in the form of free standing/singular structures, and timeshare are usually within a resort/hotel, and are not commonly referred to as being condominiums per say, but rather, as either timeshares or fractionals, and often times as suites or villas(here in mexico). mexico has a high percentage of these type of dwellings... how do you think the best way to tag them is? fractional:1/16, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 3/4(ownership percentage) timeshare:1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10(weeks) Eric Jarvies On Sep 7, 2010, at 9:28 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Other arrangements are common as well, such as duplexes (buildings holding > two households); the same property owner owns both halves of the building, > and the land underneath both; he or she may live in one half and rent out the > other half, or may rent out both halves. > > -------Original Email------- > Subject :Re: [Tagging] landuse=single family houses/apartments > From :mailto:[email protected] > Date :Tue Sep 07 22:07:45 America/Chicago 2010 > > > At 2010-09-07 17:51, =?UTF-8?Q?M=E2=88=A1rtin_Koppenhoefer?= wrote: >> 2010/9/8 Alan Mintz <[email protected]>: >>> At 2010-09-04 09:12, Erik Johansson wrote: >> >>> I've taken a slightly different approach. I use landuse=residential to >>> outline the entire related area. I then add that way to a relation with >>> role=boundary. I add the various buildings, roads leading to and within, >>> swimming pools, tennis courts, etc. to the relation. On the relation >> itself, >>> I tag: >>> >>> type=site >>> + site=housing >>> + housing={house|apartment|condominium|mobile_home|public_housing} >> >> >> that's fine, but adding simply the tag >> housing={house|apartment|condominium|mobile_home|public_housing} >> to the landuse=residential polygon would have a similar effect. > > True - I wanted to be complete about it, though, so I described how I was > doing it, since at the time I started (a year or two ago), there was no > coverage of the subject in the wiki at all. > > >>> : house is a single-family detached dwelling where the owner owns the land >>> and the buildings on it >>> : apartment is a multi-family dwelling where the tenants pay rent to the >>> owner of the buildings and land >>> : condominium is where the tenant "owns" the building (or part of one, as >>> they are often attached like apartments), but not the land, and pays >>> proportional rent and maintenance fees for the land and common areas. >>> : mobile_home is similar to condominium, but using pre-fabricated housing >>> instead of permanent structures >>> : public_housing is generally apartments (though occasionally houses) that >>> are owned by a government agency and occupied by low-income/disabled >>> tenants. >> >> Your system is a mixture of typology and ownership. > > Intentionally. Sometimes, I don't believe it's necessary to completely > dissect all of the possible features from every different angle - > particularly when many of those features may not be discernable from a > quick survey in person or by records. AFAIK, in the US, these are the types > of housing available when one goes to look for a place to live - this is > the way that they are commonly categorized by people both in the real > estate business and not. > > >> The owner situation might be quite dependent on cultur (even locally, >> i.e. differing from one city to another). In Berlin for instance there >> are traditionally many people in rented apartments, but you will also >> quite often find mixed situations: owners and leasers door to door in >> the same building. > > This can happen in condominiums here, too. You can sometimes get approval > to rent out your condo. I don't think it's likely to be something you can > see from a survey, though. It's still going to look like a condo, and be > one in most respects. I wasn't attempting to be completely rigorous in the > descriptions - just to try to describe what the thing is for those that do > not know. > > >> There are also people that rent a detached house. > > Sure. It's still a house, though. It's still owned by the person that owns > the land, and that is not the government. Perhaps my descriptions should be > broadened to exclude who lives there. > > >> ... >> Actually this is a really wide field, there are endless singular >> projects and exceptions, and there are huge cultural differences:... > > Again, I think this is one of those times when we need to focus more on > usability and common knowledge. I believe I have described the terminology > that people commonly know and use. It's worked well for me in the 315 cases > that I've mapped. I don't think it precludes creation of an extended > tagging scheme if someone really wants to import or research the other > information. > > -- > Alan Mintz <[email protected]> > > >_______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- > John F. Eldredge -- [email protected] > "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to > think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >_______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- John F. Eldredge -- [email protected] "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
