> >manhole=drain is clearly wrong I would say. > Around here most of the storm drains are identical in appearance to regular manholes: > round, about 60 cm diameter, flat on the asphalt, with a removable 2-3 cm thick iron lid - > the lid is just perforated. Seem's there's no picture in the wiki, so I'll add one once I find > one from my mapping photos.
The storm drains around here (and from what I've seen so far they are pretty much standard this way around Australia) doesn't really look anything like that. And in fact, the metal grid you see on the image I uploaded is somewhat optional, I've also seen them simply fully made from concrete with just that big hole to the side and no metal grid at all. > The manhole=* key has been used roughly for any dedicated metal cover in the ground > and with space underneath - from valve covers in the street to district heating pipeline > junction box access manholes to big hatches to (whatever they're hiding). > It's the simplest categorization for anyone a) not working with them professionally > b) non-native english speakers; i.e. "I see a metal cover on the ground" -> add manhole=*, > and possible refining tags. And it doesn't exclude others tagging them as man_made=storm_drain :) English isn't my native language, but for me a manhole has always been something that allows humans access to an underground installation of some type. Wikipedia seems to agree with that definition: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Manhole I guess to storm drains you described above are both manholes and storm drains (assuming that under that perforated cover it keeps it doesn't slim down and that it has some form of ladder to allow a human to descent), while the storm drains I showed in my picture are just storm drains and don't also have a manhole function. Looking at the definition for storm drain on Wikipedia: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Storm_drain It would seem that our terminology is slightly wrong here. "Storm drain" refers to the whole drainage system, inlets, pipes, outlets. So technically I guess it should either be something like: man_made=storm_drain_inlet or, following the same pattern as for pipelines described here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/water_network man_made=inlet type=drain location=kerb On the other hand, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:manhole does define manhole=drain as "for removing excess rainfall (storm/rain drain)" but this definition is at odds with all other types of manholes defined (which always provide maintenance access to something). So I'm still somewhat confused about what the best course of action is going to be. > Btw. could you/may I upload the photos you linked to a few messages back to the osm wiki, for illustrating the kerb discussion? If they're yours to give. Oh yes, sure. You can take higher resolution version from here: https://picasaweb.google.com/thorsten.engler/OSM?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCO _kwoDTm8SpKg&feat=directlink I took them myself and they are tagged as being under CC. I'll try to take photos of any other type of kerb I see around here. _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
