Am 05.07.2012 um 14:30 schrieb Frederik Ramm <[email protected]>:

>   reading this discussion again demonstrates how useless our voting process 
> is.

Sad, but true.

> It is obvious that this issue has not been thoroughly discussed, that there 
> is no consensus about which problem exactly it should solve and what the 
> implications for mappers or users would be.

Again sad, but true. But why hasn't it been thoroughly discussed? At some point 
the discussion simply stopped. A mail trying to revive the discussion didn't 
receive any response. 
>From the last votings I have observed I have to state, that a lot - yes, 
>really a lot - of people stay silent until the voting starts. And then they 
>all jump out of their holes and scream Oppose, Oppose! Many of them - of 
>course - don't have any suggestions how the proposal could be improved, it 
>just sucks in their point of view. Thank you, great help.
BTW: I haven't voted yes for this proposal and also will not. But as I already 
wrote: the discussion simply stopped....

> This means the whole thing isn't ready for voting. Yet I read that voting was 
> "full underway". You cannot vote *instead* of having a discussion, it won't 
> work.

Right now I think we have to vote instead of discussing because it seems to be 
the only way to bring people to speak.

After writing all this I think that maybe not the voting is the problem, but 
the discussion. Especially  the discussions of controversial topics die quite 
fast because there are (at least) two sides who - of course - think that their 
solution is the one and only and it can never-ever be any better. Other 
opinions are ignored and therefore unresponded and we reach again the 
Game-Over-state. 
What we lack often is evolution. Someone suggests a feature, others provide 
feedback and the proposal is continuously updated until a majority agrees. But 
this isn't working, because the (constructive) feedback is missing and/or not 
acknowledged.

Enough rant - back to the beach ;-)
Martin
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