On 20/09/12 14:38, Alberto wrote:
We are looking for a general tag that comprehends all facilities that can
host animals of any kind and for any purpose.
Why? We don't label hospital and hotel in the same way, with some extra
tags to describe them. They are both places people stay for a while, but
we recognise they are very different.
Maybe animal shelter doesn't sound very good in some cases, but it is the
most general definition we found.
Why do we need a general definition? Why not just be specific?
Generality means lots of fiddly extras that no one understands or uses.
All this namespace stuff is a waste of time, it hardly ever gets used
(yeah I know about addressing). Just use a single, simple tag and add a
few optional descriptive tags like dog=yes, cat=no, etc. People
understand and use that kind of tagging. Surely defining tags is about
getting it used or is this an exercise in data ontology? Start simply,
document it, try it out in the real world to see how it is used. Lets
stop all this computer science tag wanking and think about real mappers
adding real data as it exists in the real world not having to spend a
day working out which slot the photo they got surveying should fit into.
It is not true that boarding kennels and adoption kennels are very
different. Here in Italy it is very common that the same kennel offers
boarding and adoption.
So I didn't ignore you, but simply it isn't true that they are always
different. And a worldwide definition must be open to all cases.
Some hospitals have shops in them, so we add a shop tag too. If a
boarding kennel also runs an animal shelter, just add both tags.
In the definition something tagged as:
amenity=animal_shelter + animal_shelter:boarding=dog
is a boarding kennel, not a wildlife rescue center that would be:
amenity=animal_shelter + animal_shelter:release=wildlife
But the power of the general definition is that you can correctly describe
any mixed case without creating a dedicated key for each case.
For example you can describe a facility that recover stray dogs and gives
them in adoption while it offers boarding for dogs and cats. Or a facility
that recovers any type of wounded animals, including stray dogs, then it
gives dogs and cats in adoption while rehabilitates and releases wild
animals.
You asked for comments, mine is this: boarding kennels will not get
tagged as animal shelter in the UK. They are totally different things.
If you ignore these comments then another tag will get used which will
be different in other countries and more confusion will start. What is
the point of asking for comments from native speakers then ignoring
them? We need animal_shelter and animal_boarding as separate tags,
linked on their wiki pages to each other so if someone finds the wrong
one they quickly find the other one. Some places might use both tags on
separate nodes, or separate buildings on one site because both kinds of
facility operate in the same place.
--
Cheers, Chris
user: chillly
I have a cousin who runs boarding kennels for cats, dogs and a few other
small pets. If he saw his business described on OSM as an animal shelter
he would be horrified.
An animal shelter is a place where abandoned or injured animals are
taken to be cared for. Some stay for life, some pets may be found new
homes and some wild animals that recover from injuries may be released.
The wild animal version and the pet versions are usually separate.
Animal shelters are often run by charities.
Boarding kennels (or a cattery) is a place where pets are boarded for a
while, but their owners return to collect them. A very few boarding
kennels offer quarantine facilities for people bringing animals into a
country from overseas. Kennels are usually run as a business.
Animal shelter and boarding kennels are very different in the same way a
charity shop and a supermarket are very different. We should describe
them separately.
+1
I have already pointed out how very very wrong the use of the words
animal shelter is in the Kennels thread but it appears to be being
ignored.
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg11341.html
Most pet owners do not consider their cat or dog an animal, and would
never consider boarding them at an rescue centre. Humans are also
animals.
Catterys often describe themselves as 'Cats Hotel' or 'Cats Motel'.
More upmarket kennels and catterys often provide TV.
Phil
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